Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed May 08, 2013 00:47:52

I wonder if Sanford had the "he didn't kill anybody" on his lawn signs.

How much money did the state spend looking for him when they thought he was lost hiking? Is that in the "it's no big deal" equation? And the emergency workers that were out looking for him, did all those resources being used in the wild goose chase keep someone in an emergency from getting treatment in a timely manner or were those just volunteers trying to find him? I ask because maybe it turns out that he did kill someone, not directly but indirectly by keeping emergency workers occupied while someone was in need of genuine assistance.

Something tells me that JH would find a way to defend Charles Manson if he ran for office as a republican. "He didn't kill anyone DIRECTLY." "He's not THAT crazy." "He could still perform his duties from his cell." Etc.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed May 08, 2013 01:05:14

I enjoy Monkeyboy rewriting history to pretend there was a massive manhunt for Sanford in the Appalachians. And, generally, how awful he is at posting in this thread.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Wed May 08, 2013 01:12:31

"South Carolina: too small to be a republic, too large to be an insane asylum"

- James Pettigrew

true fun fact: Pettigrew was one of the confederate generals responsible for Pickett's Charge
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed May 08, 2013 07:22:53

jerseyhoya wrote:I enjoy Monkeyboy rewriting history to pretend there was a massive manhunt for Sanford in the Appalachians. And, generally, how awful he is at posting in this thread.



I remember reading about people out looking for him. Maybe it wasn't a manhunt, but he's still an asshole and you still don't care what people do if they have an R next to their name.

And I am bad at posting int his thread.

see, I just made a typo. I suck.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 08, 2013 07:40:05

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 08, 2013 08:51:13

with a SC democratic party like this:
South Carolina Democratic Chairman Dick Harpootlian, imploring party activists Friday night to defeat this state’s Indian-American governor, predicted next year’s Democratic standard-bearer would “send Nikki Haley back to wherever the hell she came from.”

Haley was raised in South Carolina and attended college here, but her parents were Sikh immigrants

As to whether he thought the comment could be seen as touching on her race and parents’ immigrant status, Harpootlian responded: “No, she was born in Bamberg [South Carolina] and lived in Lexington. Anybody implying anything different is attempting to feign insult.”

at least this guy holds no position any longer.

but the feigned outrage from the right is a bit much, considering the long history:
Without accusing Harpootlian of race-baiting outright, Rob Godfrey called it “play[ing] to the lowest common denominator.”

“Unfortunately, this seems to be a trend coming out of the South Carolina Democratic Party,” said Godfrey.

it's wrong because it's wrong, not because a Democrat said it, sir.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 08, 2013 08:56:49

holy crap:
“It may be advisable to submit [rather] than resist,” reads the brochure (.pdf), issued to airmen at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina, where nearly 10,000 military and civilian personnel are assigned. “You have to make this decision based on circumstances. Be especially careful if the attacker has a weapon.”

The brochure, acquired by Danger Room, issues a series of guidances on “risk reduction” for sexual assault. Among others, it advises people under sexual attack in parking lots to “consider rolling underneath a nearby auto and scream loud. It is difficult to force anyone out from under a car.” A public affairs officer at Shaw, Sgt. Alexandria Mosness, says she believes the brochure is current.

While the brochure also explains that sexual assault is not always committed by people who “don’t look like a rapist” — attackers “tend to have hyper-masculine attitudes,” it advises — it does not offer instruction to servicemembers on not committing sexual assault. Prevention is treated as the responsibility of potential victims.
“Rapists look for vulnerability and then exploit it in those who: are young (naive); are new to the base, deployment, area, etc.; are emotionally unstable,” the brochure (.pdf) continues.

no wonder there are 70 sexual assaults a day

this absolves men as though we just can't help but sexually assault, so it's up to the woman to fend us off or just 'get it over with'. i mean, holy crap.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Wed May 08, 2013 09:15:10

Heritage study co-author opposed letting in immigrants with low IQs


Richwine’s dissertation asserts that there are deep-set differentials in intelligence between races. While it’s clear he thinks it is partly due to genetics — “the totality of the evidence suggests a genetic component to group differences in IQ” — he argues the most important thing is that the differences in group IQs are persistent, for whatever reason. He writes, “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.”
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 08, 2013 09:22:36

which hispanics of which ethnicity and which race? this guy's a moron
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Wed May 08, 2013 09:23:30

he's a heritage scholar you mongoloid
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Wed May 08, 2013 09:24:34

pacino wrote:
it does not offer instruction to servicemembers on not committing sexual assault.

no wonder there are 70 sexual assaults a day

this absolves men as though we just can't help but sexually assault, so it's up to the woman to fend us off or just 'get it over with'. i mean, holy crap.

They need to reprint the brochures, and make sure they tell men not to rape and pillage? Are you serious?

Oh wait, they do have other initiatives focused on males. From the article you cited, they have skits which go into different sexual assault scenarios and video games which also go into the dangers of sexual assault. While these are of debatable efficacy, the military doesn't absolve men of responsibility just because they circulated a trifold brochure with risk reduction tips.

Holy crap, indeed.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Wed May 08, 2013 09:30:57

'risk reduction' is to submit?

'risk reduction' is to truly go after the men. not this video game bullshit. it's rather endemic in our society at the honus being on the woman to not do this, not go here, not wear that. fuck that. it's on the men ENTIRELY.

hey guys, IS SHE SOBER?! oh boy, what education.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Wed May 08, 2013 09:34:59

td11 wrote:Heritage study co-author opposed letting in immigrants with low IQs


Richwine’s dissertation asserts that there are deep-set differentials in intelligence between races. While it’s clear he thinks it is partly due to genetics — “the totality of the evidence suggests a genetic component to group differences in IQ” — he argues the most important thing is that the differences in group IQs are persistent, for whatever reason. He writes, “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.”

We do offer preferential treatment to intelligent immigrant candidates. Almost all countries do this.

I think it's silly to have quotas per country or race, but maybe something like this:
Rather than excluding what he judges to be low-IQ races, we can just test each individual’s IQ and exclude those with low scores. “I believe there is a strong case for IQ selection,” he writes, “since it is theoretically a win-win for the U.S. and potential immigrants.”
Probably not a pure IQ test, but I think it's reasonable to want to increase the immigration of hard working, intelligent, and skilled workers.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Wed May 08, 2013 09:38:38

pacino wrote:'risk reduction' is to submit?

'risk reduction' is to truly go after the men. not this video game bullshit. it's rather endemic in our society at the honus being on the woman to not do this, not go here, not wear that. fuck that. it's on the men ENTIRELY.

hey guys, IS SHE SOBER?! oh boy, what education.

Some of the risk reduction techniques are applicable if you are being mugged. Submit if you are faced with an attacker with a weapon, and you are less likely to be killed. Common sense, but may need to be spelled out for someone trained for combat. I dunno whether the advice is supported by data on sexual assaults, but it doesn't seem unreasonable. The other advice, like crawling under a car, actually seems pretty ingenious, and I wouldn't have thought of that.

Substitute in "mugging" for "sexual assault," and do you get this angry at pamphlets and "society" and "risk reduction" techniques?

'risk reduction' is to truly go after the muggers. not this video game bullshit. it's rather endemic in our society at the honus being on the mugged to not do this, not go here, not wear that. fuck that. it's on the mugger ENTIRELY.
Maybe we need to print brochures telling people not to mug other people.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Wed May 08, 2013 10:05:06

Werthless wrote:robably not a pure IQ test, but I think it's reasonable to want to increase the immigration of hard working, intelligent, and skilled workers.


Basically you don't want a clam like Richwine anywhere near policymaking, or policy advising, or public utterance. Another embarrassment for Heritage, which is apparently hell-bent on embarrassing itself 24/7
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed May 08, 2013 10:46:09

Monkeyboy wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I enjoy Monkeyboy rewriting history to pretend there was a massive manhunt for Sanford in the Appalachians. And, generally, how awful he is at posting in this thread.



I remember reading about people out looking for him. Maybe it wasn't a manhunt, but he's still an asshat and you still don't care what people do if they have an R next to their name.

And I am bad at posting int his thread.

see, I just made a typo. I suck.

do you really think you would vote for a Republican over a Democrat for, say, Philly mayor or Pennsylvania governor just because he had a mid-level scandal on the books? I'm about 99% sure you would still vote for the Democrat

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed May 08, 2013 13:26:10

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I enjoy Monkeyboy rewriting history to pretend there was a massive manhunt for Sanford in the Appalachians. And, generally, how awful he is at posting in this thread.



I remember reading about people out looking for him. Maybe it wasn't a manhunt, but he's still an asshat and you still don't care what people do if they have an R next to their name.

And I am bad at posting int his thread.

see, I just made a typo. I suck.

do you really think you would vote for a Republican over a Democrat for, say, Philly mayor or Pennsylvania governor just because he had a mid-level scandal on the books? I'm about 99% sure you would still vote for the Democrat


There are circumstances where I'd vote Republican. Especially if I lived in Philly. A corrupt Philly Dem v. country club Chestnut Hill Thatcher Longstreth type Republican for instance. Actually, anywhere there's a Dem machine that typically wins by large margins I'd serious consider reformist Republicans at the state or local level. Even in AR, Had Beth Anne Rankin won the R primary v. Tom Cotton, and the Dem was still Gene Jeffress, I'd have voted for Rankin. Jeffress doesn't have any corruption as far as I know, he's just extremely unintelligent. There are certainly plenty of Dems I won't vote for. Of course, these days, the problem with crossing party lines is that even if you're closer to the moderate candidate, you're voting to empower partisan extremes in terms of leadership and so on.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed May 08, 2013 14:25:06

same here, but you're not Monkeyboy, who is as partisan as jerseyhoya and hates Republicans. no offense, Monkeyboy

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby dajafi » Wed May 08, 2013 14:48:19

pacino wrote:one would hope not. he's appears to be a horrible person. maybe dajafi knows someone better, but Quinn seems like the way to go in NYC


I'm really bummed out about the mayoral election, to the point where I'm trying to figure out under what conditions I would or wouldn't stay in city government.

Quinn is pretty much okay on policy (and personally I'd probably fare the best in terms of a shot to get a high-level job if she won), but I've literally never seen a worse politician on television. Every time she's on, I want to tell the TV to stop yelling at me. And she has a glass jaw--an outside group ran a vicious ad against her last month, and she tried to get the local nets not to air it-probably tripling the attention it got. I suspect her support is a mile wide and an inch deep... which is crazy since she'd be both the first woman mayor and the first gay mayor. But she just fails to connect.

Bill DiBlasio and John Liu, two of the other Democrats, are totally loathsome. DiBlasio's the worst kind of partisan hack, and Liu's a straight-up scumbag and moron. I'd vote for any of the Republicans over either of them, without a second thought.

Bill Thompson isn't as bad--he's at least a somewhat serious policy guy--but he's got to be the least interesting and charismatic African-American politician who's ever walked this earth. If he had any game at all, he probably would have beat Bloomberg last time.

If Joe Lhota wins the Republican primary, he might be my guy. And he was a deputy mayor under Giuliani, whom some of you might remember I didn't much like. But he's a social liberal (marriage equality, weed), and he'd manage the city finances well and not give away the store to the public sector unions the way any of the Dems, with the possible exception of Chris Quinn, surely would.

But really I'd like Bloomberg, asshole that he assuredly is, to stay in forever.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed May 08, 2013 15:32:41

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I enjoy Monkeyboy rewriting history to pretend there was a massive manhunt for Sanford in the Appalachians. And, generally, how awful he is at posting in this thread.



I remember reading about people out looking for him. Maybe it wasn't a manhunt, but he's still an asshat and you still don't care what people do if they have an R next to their name.

And I am bad at posting int his thread.

see, I just made a typo. I suck.

do you really think you would vote for a Republican over a Democrat for, say, Philly mayor or Pennsylvania governor just because he had a mid-level scandal on the books? I'm about 99% sure you would still vote for the Democrat



I think the misuse of public funds was more than a mid-level scandal. I used to vote republican quite regularly. I would probably not vote in that race at all, tbh, because I can't support the R party at the moment.
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