Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

by **Werthless** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:02:46

pacino wrote:welp, two days and counting until the Brennan hearings. maybe then we will learn why it's ok for the US government to kill its own citizens.

We do kill our own citizens already, in some states.

by **pacino** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:04:35

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:welp, two days and counting until the Brennan hearings. maybe then we will learn why it's ok for the US government to kill its own citizens.

We do kill our own citizens already, in some states.

yeah, im against that too. at least they get to turn themselves in or get a trial or get served papers, etc

by **dajafi** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:13:57

pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:A huge chunk of student loan default is generated by the for profit post-secondary educators who supposedly specialize in preparing students for careers and offer on-line phoney degrees. These institutions have lobbied long and hard to ensure their continued access to these dollars with little oversight. People also believe, generally incorrectly, that these are low-cost institutions, when in fact their per-credit hour charges are usually much, much higher than community colleges and much higher than state supported institutions. Default rate at these institutions is twice that at not for profit institutions. And I'm not talking the fly by night outfits, but places like Corinthian, Kaplan, and Phoenix. Bill's Barber College and Taxidermy Academy probably has a much higher rate.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-2 ... -grow.html

yes, these 'colleges' are gross. they are vampiric, almost. they provide very little to a student in terms of education/degree, and charge as much or more than many public colleges, and way more than community colleges which provide the same or better education.

There's no "almost" about it. To TV's point, these guys are politically bulletproof and largely have been left alone to make all kinds of false claims and exploit customer ignorance. Enforcement is a bad joke, at both the federal and particularly the state level.

by **Youseff** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:48:29

The Right's Jonathan Swift. The greatest "satirist" of our generation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/0 ... 18895.html

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:55:13

Youseff wrote:The Right's Jonathan Swift. The greatest "satirist" of our generation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/0 ... 18895.html

I really wish people would ignore clowns such as him. Now that he's irrelevant in SC politics, he's probably angling for a book deal and/or radio show.

by **The Nightman Cometh** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:57:52

Werthless wrote: So if you want to go $160,000 in debt to be an art teacher, loan organizations will just say no.

Weren't you an econ major? Wouldn't your prospects out of college only be marginally better than someone with a teaching degree?

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:59:24

people shouldn't do it for economics degrees either

by **td11** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:00:47

why does an art degree cost 160k?

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:04:30

To get to the other side.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:04:55

only a handful of school are going to take you up to 160, but back at my liberal arts college, there were a decent number of people who took out 100-120k to get various Bachelors of Art degrees. people get it in their heads that once they have that college degree, paying it back will be easy enough

heck, I was dumb enough to think a Masters of Library and Information Science degree would be worth the money. might have been if the economy hadn't tanked

by **The Nightman Cometh** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:07:15

I'm going to be at around 100k for a poli sci degree, which my parents will probably pay half of.

by **pacino** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:13:46

Ohio is taking the funding from the feds to implement the expansion of Medicaid. I except PA to follow, unless Corbett's run for governor gets in the way and makes it a political issue.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:18:38

If we are at a point where we no longer accept as a given that we, as a society, have a basic and deeply-rooted interest in seeing that all our youth are well-educated and, more specifically to this argument, that we have an interest in seeing that our youth get a realistic shot at advanced education in engineering, the sciences and all things related to the information age, then all hope is lost. We might as well formally adopt a feudal system of feudal lords and fiefdoms, with a small noble class and an enormous, uneducated peasant class. Of course the problem with that approach is that, since we no longer live in a primarily agrarian world, the United States will fall hopelessly behind other, more educated nations.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:23:42

I think there's a big space between that point and suggesting the delivery system for education can be reformed

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:26:55

Of course there is. But the notion of higher education for only those who can afford it is a death spiral.

by **pacino** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:32:50

death spiral for our workforce and our nation. people complain about immigrants taking jobs...well then we better educate ourselves, and fast. the rest of the world is coming up, or already has. this ain't the 50s.

by **Roger Dorn** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:39:43

Did Eric Holder really endorse the constitutionality of killing an American who poses as an imminent threat? Talk about a dangerous precedent to set...seems like an "imminent threat" will be defined by the government. Nothing bad can come of this...we need viable third party candidates in the worst way.

by **laf837** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 13:00:28

member back during the NINA days when the irish were called and depicted as monkeys? not sure its entirely a perjorative based on skin color

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 13:31:16

Youseff wrote:The Right's Jonathan Swift. The greatest "satirist" of our generation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/0 ... 18895.html

I was rooting for this to be a good article about Christopher Buckley.

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Feb 05, 2013 13:37:00

Not to be all old and curmudgeonly, but I wonder how much student debt is for education expenses. If a student is spending $300 a month on a car and a phone while borrowing money to pay tuition room and board and books, is that entirely the fault of higher ed? I will admit that higher ed is spending a lot of money on non-essential student services, driven by the view proffered by those in student affairs that we need those things to compete for students. The reality is, it doesn't matter how nice you make the cafeteria and how good the cafeteria food is, students will complain about it.

Another issue that doesn't get talked about much is merit scholarships, which means that some students are subsidizing others for reasons other than financial need.

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