Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 22, 2013 02:05:11

Hopefully King Obama VIII doesn't execute St. Antonin More

(By serving him the lasagna that has the full fat ricotta and mozz)

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Jan 22, 2013 02:27:40

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby PhillieMooDo » Tue Jan 22, 2013 04:04:04

Doll Is Mine wrote::lol:

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Ha. He does like em chubby :-D
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 22, 2013 08:33:30

Doll Is Mine wrote::lol:

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

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Olivia Meadows, your "emotional poltergeist"

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

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no offense but you are everything that's wrong with America

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:25:36

tremendous page so far
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:01:33

http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2013/01/s ... stricting/

Today was a big day for Senator Henry Marsh. The legislator of twenty years took a rare day off during the Virginia Senate’s 46-day session, to attend President Barack Obama’s second-term inauguration in Washington D.C. For the 79-year-old black civil rights lawyer, attending a black president’s inauguration on Martin Luther King Jr’s birthday is perhaps the most auspicious of occasions. Certainly nobody would object to him missing just one day. Looking at today’s legislative calendar, he would have seen that his absence wouldn’t be problematic, with nothing contentious on the agenda. (With the Senate split 50/50 between Democrats and Republicans, and with a Republican lieutenant governor acting as tie-breaker, that’s no small point.)

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Today was also a big day for Senate Republicans. They knew that Henry Marsh would be at the inauguration today, and that the 20–20 split in the Senate would become a 20–19 split while Marsh was 100 miles north, among the throngs on the National Mall. So today was the day that they decided—without hearings, advertisements, notifications, or warnings—to take a chunk out of Marsh’s district, along with a handful of others, to ghettoize black voters in a majority-minority district and put 45% of voting-age citizens into new districts.


...Unbeknownst to anybody but the 20 Senate Republicans, the bill had been replaced with a radical redistricting, combining two senators into a single district (eliminating the district of 2009 Democratic gubernatorial nominee Creigh Deeds), reshuffling district boundaries throughout the state to absorb those changes (to Republicans’ apparent favor in a half-dozen districts), and creating a “black district.”

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:45:39

wow, i would say unbelievable, but that is the coldest shit ever. shameful.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 22, 2013 15:22:45

I don't think I like mid-decade redistricting in practice. You get one shot at the beginning of the decade, and you deal with it. Changing the lines every time partisan control shifts doesn't seem like it should be a staple of good governance.

That said, the article there is absurd in its description of what happened. The Obama Administration was aggressive in mandating the drawing of majority-minority districts during redistricting. Texas is battling the DoJ in court over the federal government overturning Texas's plan for drawing too few majority Hispanic seats. When Democrats draw majority minority seats or call for more majority minority seats, that's standing up for minority representation. If Republicans do it, they're ghettoizing minority voters. Pick one.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 15:27:23

jerseyhoya wrote:When Democrats draw majority minority seats or call for more majority minority seats, that's standing up for minority representation. If Republicans do it, they're ghettoizing minority voters. Pick one.

... yes?

also,

After first distancing himself from the new legislative lines the Virginia Senate GOP forced through Monday, Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) condemned his party’s political gamesmanship Tuesday.

“I certainly don’t think that’s a good way to do business,” McDonnell told reporters in Richmond, according to the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star.


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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 22, 2013 15:31:34

jerseyhoya wrote:When Democrats draw majority minority seats or call for more majority minority seats, that's standing up for minority representation. If Republicans do it, they're ghettoizing minority voters. Pick one.


Have many of those Democrat-instigated reconfigurations been entirely dependent on waiting for key legislators to be unavailable for votes to authorize?
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 22, 2013 15:43:33

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:When Democrats draw majority minority seats or call for more majority minority seats, that's standing up for minority representation. If Republicans do it, they're ghettoizing minority voters. Pick one.

Have many of those Democrat-instigated reconfigurations been entirely dependent on waiting for key legislators to be unavailable for votes to authorize?

Obama's DoJ did not care what Texas's legislators, key and not key alike, had to say in their votes to authorize the maps.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 22, 2013 15:47:03

jerseyhoya wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:When Democrats draw majority minority seats or call for more majority minority seats, that's standing up for minority representation. If Republicans do it, they're ghettoizing minority voters. Pick one.

Have many of those Democrat-instigated reconfigurations been entirely dependent on waiting for key legislators to be unavailable for votes to authorize?

Obama's DoJ did not care what Texas's legislators, key and not key alike, had to say in their votes to authorize the maps.

are you being purposefully obtuse or something? in both instances, it is Republicans trying to make Democratic and minority voters' votes useless through pretty ridiculously-looking districts. That VA lawmakers waited until the day of the peaceful passing of power for them to try to circumvent democracy is telling.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Jan 22, 2013 16:12:49

jerseyhoya wrote:That said, the article there is absurd in its description of what happened. The Obama Administration was aggressive in mandating the drawing of majority-minority districts during redistricting. Texas is battling the DoJ in court over the federal government overturning Texas's plan for drawing too few majority Hispanic seats. When Democrats draw majority minority seats or call for more majority minority seats, that's standing up for minority representation. If Republicans do it, they're ghettoizing minority voters. Pick one.

I find it pretty hysterical that you're claiming any sort of expertise in what happened yesterday (across the street from my office) over and above the in-person observances of a very knowledgeable VA political blogger (who merely echoed the observations of a number of others who've written about it)... let alone lumping it in with what has or hasn't happened in other states. There are so many things I'd like to discuss publicly about this issue but cannot b/c of where I work. The one innocuous thing that I will throw out there in response to your post is that the DOJ already approved VA's 2011 plan and its 2012 congressional redistricting plan, so it's not as if we'd been having a contentious fight with the feds until now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/justice-dept-approves-virginias-congressional-redistricting-plan/2012/03/14/gIQAXW1pCS_blog.html
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Jan 22, 2013 16:18:21

BTW, jersey, there has been a huge backlash here in VA over this, even among some prominent VA conservative pundits. For example: http://bearingdrift.com/2013/01/21/am-i-the-only-republican-in-virginia-who-thinks-this-reeks/

The only reason it happened in the first place was b/c our Republican Lieutenant Governor was going to vote against the bill if it came down to a tiebreaker b/c he felt it was most likely unconstitutional (VA Constitution mandates redistricting in 2011 and every ten years thereafter).

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 22, 2013 16:34:44

jerseyhoya wrote:Obama's DoJ did not care what Texas's legislators, key and not key alike, had to say in their votes to authorize the maps.


Your reply doesn't make any sense. So you surprised me!
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