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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 09, 2013 01:28:08

Youseff wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/20/the-many-faces-of-the-republican-party/

“Tea party” movement Republicans – 28 percent of Republicans

Which doesn't include Alex Jones...

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Jan 09, 2013 07:32:36

JH, you need to head down to TN and check out the republicans down there. I think you're being skewed by living in NJ. Most of the nutcases in TN are republicans and I suspect it's not just TN.

The social studies teacher two doors down from me was an alex jones disciple and also a raging republican fighting against that socialist Obama. When I asked her what made him a socialist, she started spouting off a bunch of stuff that just showed she didn't know the definition of socialism. I then asked her what she meant by the word socialism and she couldn't tell me. And she was a social studies teacher.

Anyway, the two groups mix much more than you seem to think.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 09, 2013 08:01:46

Christie had no qualms about emptying both his 70+% favorability barrels on 'dangerous' elements of his party like the Speaker of the fucking US House of Representatives.

While he's reloading, where are the rest of the 'responsible' Republicans loudly, publicly disavowing the nasty-ass lunacy of gun-fetishizing poop gobbets like Jones, who as Jerz notes aren't 'really' part of the party?
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Youseff » Wed Jan 09, 2013 09:17:24

jerseyhoya wrote:
Youseff wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/20/the-many-faces-of-the-republican-party/

“Tea party” movement Republicans – 28 percent of Republicans

Which doesn't include Alex Jones...


He's very positive about them which is one of the only things he's positive about. Beyond that the ideologies are very much the same. Where do you think this birth certificate shit started to get legs? Where do you think all this muslim shit got legs? This is where I stop myself and wonder does JH really not see this or is he playing board pundit.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 09:44:50

TenuredVulture wrote:Does the opposition to Hagel have any real legs? I would think a former Senator (who happened to be a Republican) would have enough allies left in the Senate that his confirmation would sail through.


Interesting piece on this topic just on NPR (0844 EST).
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 09:59:53

jerseyhoya wrote:
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jerseyhoya wrote:Oh for #$!&@'s sake

Not you, necessarily, but the aggressively pro-2nd amendments type loves this #$!&@. You're more of the type that tries to play pundit on a board with your friends.

Alex Jones isn't a thought leader of young Republicans. He's a fringy libertarian conspiracy theorist with a decent sized following that votes more Republican than Democrat, but a huge portion of his audience either votes third party or doesn't register to vote because that's just another way the government can track you. Anyone who advances theories that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks is not a Republican. End of story.


With my two edits above, I would agree. Don't limit his "leadership" as I seem him only speaking to some conspiracy fringe made up primarily of the aging who have not caught up to the idea that these commentators are in the business of keeping audience via crazy entertainment, and they seem to take it as some truth from a bygone era when radio brought you useful, factual information (while deliciously ironic that these blowhards point to "media" as part of the NWO effort to hypnotize the masses which will then kowtow the NWO agenda while working in a media outlet themselves pushing their agenda). Regarding him as a libertarian, he technically fits the billet as one oriented to free will dedicated freedom of thought and expression, but his practice of those freedoms is suspect to me. Lets just say that Alex Jones is a nut job who would not have even been considered relevant or intelligent in 1776.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:00:56

the further we get from January 1st, the more i think i hate the deal that was struck and think it was too weak and quick when we didn't have to strike one right away. too many tax cuts.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Youseff » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:11:28

How much overlap do Glen Beck and Alex Jones have in their delusions?
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby td11 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:31:41

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:18:55

pacino wrote:the further we get from January 1st, the more i think i hate the deal that was struck and think it was too weak and quick when we didn't have to strike one right away. too many tax cuts.


Good news is that the dual fists of sequestration and debt limit will give way to plenty of opportunities to further screw things up in the name of economic and fiscal reforms. now when I say 'screw up' I mean that whatever political deals are reached will not be real or effective long term solutions. I do not believe that anyone actively on either side of the aisle has a reasonable comprehensive plan, however, I am also not sure such a plan can be written without creating a horrible document such as the affordable care act (terribly constructed and not seemingly proofread given that some portions end abruptly mid-paragraph like a Reading Eagle story). I am not even certain that there are nonpartisan plans in existence to deal with the most critical pieces of the whole problem, which is the only way this can be addressed, versus political tools tactical nuclear offensive weapons.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:21:14

Youseff wrote:How much overlap do Glen Beck and Alex Jones have in their delusions?


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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:22:10

beck thinks jones is a plant to make gun people look crazy
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby td11 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:24:10

Youseff wrote:How much overlap do Glen Beck and Alex Jones have in their delusions?


Glenn Beck said not wrote:"Want to know who the media wants to make the face of the pro-gun argument in America? Look no further than conspiratorial radio host Alex Jones, best known for his 9/11 Truther theories and his love of Charlie Sheen's hernia. Jones is the man behind the petition to deport CNN host Piers Morgan for his views on gun control. Morgan invited Jones onto his show to debate the gun issue yesterday, and not surprisingly, Jones made a fool of himself, giving the left the perfect poster boy for their attempts to paint every logical conservative as an extremist nut job."



http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/201 ... 53677.html
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:24:22

is that for real?

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby td11 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:25:11

CalvinBall wrote:is that for real?

:q: the beck on alex jones thing? yeah
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:30:20

thephan wrote:
pacino wrote:the further we get from January 1st, the more i think i hate the deal that was struck and think it was too weak and quick when we didn't have to strike one right away. too many tax cuts.


Good news is that the dual fists of sequestration and debt limit will give way to plenty of opportunities to further screw things up in the name of economic and fiscal reforms. now when I say 'screw up' I mean that whatever political deals are reached will not be real or effective long term solutions. I do not believe that anyone actively on either side of the aisle has a reasonable comprehensive plan, however, I am also not sure such a plan can be written without creating a horrible document such as the affordable care act (terribly constructed and not seemingly proofread given that some portions end abruptly mid-paragraph like a Reading Eagle story). I am not even certain that there are nonpartisan plans in existence to deal with the most critical pieces of the whole problem, which is the only way this can be addressed, versus political tools tactical nuclear offensive weapons.

the problem with most of our politics is it is tied up by outside monied interests which get what they want through their proxies inside the beltway. the blue dogs took a machete to the ACA, and they're going to likely take a machete to medicaid, too. I think SS and medicare are somewhat safe except for tweaks, but the poor don't really have money to spend in DC to save things that help them directly (though SS is the biggest reason the elderly are not almost universally poor).

we (democrats and republicans) dare not upset the applecart by actually reforming the medical insurance industry, lest we lose our donations and trips and meals. so, we require people to buy a privately sold product that doesn't have to be either a product or privately sold.

sorry, was in a ranting mood.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:32:49

td11 wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:is that for real?

:q: the beck on alex jones thing? yeah

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which reminds me, jones mentioned 74% of gun murders were committed by 'gangbangers on gangbangers'. so what? that means it's not a big deal?
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:34:46

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby td11 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:40:20

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Bucky » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:41:18

BUT IT'S ALREADY SUNK SO A PENNY WOULD HAVE THE SAME EFFECT

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