Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 04, 2013 17:37:30

why did Boehner not vote on the bill?

two reps from PA voted no. OH BOY:

Scott Perry R PA-4
Keith Rothfus R PA-12

even my crazy Rep, Joe Pitts, voted aye
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby BDawk » Fri Jan 04, 2013 17:39:11

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Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-MS), whose Mississippi district is situated on the Gulf Coast, was one of 67 Republicans on Friday to vote against a $9.7 billion relief package to victims of Hurricane Sandy.

Mississippi’s Fourth Congressional District, which Palazzo has represented since 2010, includes the city of Biloxi, one of the most heavily damaged communities in the region by Hurricane Katrina. Congress quickly passed an initial $10.5 billion relief package in the immediate aftermath of Katrina in September of 2005. Palazzo’s predecessor, former Rep. Gene Taylor (D-MS), supported that legislation.


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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 04, 2013 17:44:08

up we go:
“It’s not an incredibly strongly labor market but it’s mending and it’s going to continue to take time,” Greg Woodard, a strategist at Manning & Napier in Fairport, New York, which manages about $40 billion, said by telephone. “The market realized there’s some outside help. The Fed continues to provide a lot of liquidity. We got some resolution on a lot of uncertainty, although we pushed that uncertainty two months down the road.”

Payrolls rose by 155,000 workers last month following a revised 161,000 advance in November that was more than initially estimated, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The median estimate of 82 economists surveyed by Bloomberg called for a increase of 152,000. The unemployment rate held at 7.8 percent, matching the lowest since December 2008.

“At 7.8, that tells us we still have an unemployment problem and the Fed will still be engaged,” Mohamed El-Erian, Pimco’s chief executive officer and co-chief investment officer, said today in an interview on Bloomberg Television.

A separate release from the Institute for Supply Management showed its index of U.S. non-manufacturing businesses rose to 56.1 in December from 54.7 a month earlier. The median forecast of 66 economists surveyed by Bloomberg projected a decline to 54.1.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby BDawk » Fri Jan 04, 2013 17:50:29

pacino wrote:why did Boehner not vote on the bill?

two reps from PA voted no. OH BOY:

Scott Perry R PA-4
Keith Rothfus R PA-12

even my crazy Rep, Joe Pitts, voted aye

I loath Scott Perry, who is now my rep thanks to some absurd gerrymandering.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 04, 2013 17:58:51

I think I could understand not casting a vote, but casting a vote against is harder for me to understand. What's wrong with the weasly little cheese-eating loser?
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 04, 2013 18:08:33

pacino wrote:why did Boehner not vote on the bill?

Speakers don't vote very often

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 04, 2013 18:19:03

smerconish on MSNBC right now pulling some club for growth schmuck's fingernails out over its opposition to sandy aid

guy's squirming like a slug on hot blacktop
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Jan 04, 2013 18:44:28

drsmooth wrote:smerconish on MSNBC right now pulling some club for growth schmuck's fingernails out over its opposition to sandy aid

guy's squirming like a slug on hot blacktop


and slugs are bad
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Fri Jan 04, 2013 18:49:27

slugsrbad wrote:
drsmooth wrote:smerconish on MSNBC right now pulling some club for growth schmuck's fingernails out over its opposition to sandy aid

guy's squirming like a slug on hot blacktop


and slugs are bad


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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby phdave » Fri Jan 04, 2013 19:07:10

jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:why did Boehner not vote on the bill?

Speakers don't vote very often


I knew that because I saw Lincoln.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 04, 2013 23:38:33

Astounding article on the random nobody who helped start the disorganized campaign to oust Boehner. Makes me hate so many things.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Jan 04, 2013 23:44:30

Not sure if I should hate Boehner or be thankful he has kept the crazies in check as much as he has.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Jan 04, 2013 23:55:25

Has he kept them in check? Feel like it is the other way around.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Jan 04, 2013 23:59:52

I suspect that he has done a decent job relative to what he has been dealt with. Its not easy to govern when a significant portion of your caucus is completely uncompromising.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Jan 05, 2013 00:12:51

A Council candidate's racist email and a response. What a world.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:17:39

jerseyhoya wrote:Astounding article on the random nobody who helped start the disorganized campaign to oust Boehner. Makes me hate so many things.


Please. this kid didn't 'start' repbumblican grumbing about Boehner's "leadership". Might his street-corner howling have squirted a thimbleful of gas on the already-smoldering fire? Sure. Did it "start" the commotion? No. Not seeing anything "astounding" here.

And why would this bit of grass-roots righty revulsion inspire hate? Because all the caucus monkeys are not goose-stepping to the party tune? Because politics isn't Strat-o-matic? Because it's evidence that motivated people can make things happen by coloring outside the lines?
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby SK790 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 21:44:48

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Astounding article on the random nobody who helped start the disorganized campaign to oust Boehner. Makes me hate so many things.


Please. this kid didn't 'start' repbumblican grumbing about Boehner's "leadership". Might his street-corner howling have squirted a thimbleful of gas on the already-smoldering fire? Sure. Did it "start" the commotion? No. Not seeing anything "astounding" here.

And why would this bit of grass-roots righty revulsion inspire hate? Because all the caucus monkeys are not goose-stepping to the party tune? Because politics isn't Strat-o-matic? Because it's evidence that motivated people can make things happen by coloring outside the lines?

If anything, it's pretty shitty that some of the members of Congress were afraid to vote against him because they might lose their committee seats. Even if they are crazies.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Jan 05, 2013 21:47:18

Leadership needs to have some means of discipline. I wish he could do worse.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jan 05, 2013 21:52:16

Head on a pike, Lannister Style.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby allentown » Sat Jan 05, 2013 22:03:21

jerseyhoya wrote:Leadership needs to have some means of discipline. I wish he could do worse.

Leadership needs to primary these guys and let them know that even if they win their primaries, there won't be any party funds coming their way. The party has made noises, but not followed through, even with the two God-loves-rapist fools from the past election.

The Tea Party will diminish, since their position is not logically sustainable. All of the screaming about entitlement cuts, when their core constitutents are the consumers of said entitlements. They seem to think they can just say "Cut 1 trillion in entitlement spending" and Obama will obligingly serve up a specific list of cuts for which they'll blame him. Obama isn't that dumb. He'll make them list what reductions they want to make.

The Republicans have zero cred on this, so it's a tall mountain to climb. They just ran a presidential/vice-presidential team that promised no Medicare and SS savings over the next decade. Lots of luck with that. Obama will be reminding them a lot that he has submitted his budget proposal and that it is up to the Republican House to produce the relevant legislation. If they want more savings, all they have to do is codify it in the budget/appropriations bills they pass. That will be a laugh. The Ryan budget, with all its vagueness and rosy scenarios, didn't do any more for the ten-year budget reduction that what Obama proposed.

As employment picks up and the war winds down, the budget deficit will naturally decline. In the end, both parties will decide they are happy with that and just minor tinkering around the edges. Cutting programs for seniors hurts the Repubs a lot more than it hurts the Dems. Just can't see them going there in a big way. With the focus on ten-year deficit reduction, the pledge to not inconvenience anyone over 55 ain't going to cut it. Obama will give them the chain-CPI change, maybe even tort reform for Medicare/Medicaid. More than that, they'll take their lumps.
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