MUSLIMS!!!!

repost from hoya:

"I think another site would be a better idea...I believe that the people who are trying to build the mosque are trying to do something that is good, but there’s no point starting off trying to do something that’s good if it’s going to meet with an enormous resistance from a lot of folks."

Guess the speaker

"Last week I heard Harry Reid say that he could not understand why an Hispanic could be a Republican. Well, Harry, as a Republican how can an Hispanic be anything but a Republican? They love children, so they are pro-life. By the way, if you are pro-abortion, you are a very selfish person."

-- Bob

From the "Sound Off Section" in the Daily Local newspaper that serves Chester County. The guy nails it really.

pacino wrote:MUSLIMS!!!!

repost from hoya:

"I think another site would be a better idea...I believe that the people who are trying to build the mosque are trying to do something that is good, but there’s no point starting off trying to do something that’s good if it’s going to meet with an enormous resistance from a lot of folks."

Guess the speaker

Fist pump and awkward yell.

Dick Armey looked like a fool on the Daily Show last night. He brought a cowboy hat on there and promoted his new book trying to southern up for the audience. Also, Stewart poked holes throughout the complete interview
yay freedomworks

stewart seemed to hold back a bit too. stewart would explain why armey was off and armey would respond and stewart would just not say much else more but had that look of what is this guy talking about.

Here's something comprehensively stupid

NJ for not funding employee pensions since, well, ever (tho news reports peg the start date of the wrongdoing in question at 2001), and feds for taking the path of a high-profile 'prosecution' to scold the state into doing so (tho the feds have no jurisdiction other than via a torturous route like this SEC gambit).

So I'm in CT and the 1st campaign hardmail I get from the McMahon camp is a flyer featuring Dick Blumenthal's mug on the cover - his name, his pic, and an ambiguous teaser line - then on the inside a bunch of warmed-over quotes from all the obscure local newspapers that manage to hang on in CT about how Blumenthal has misrepresented himself here & there - ok, bizarrely frequently, but that's not the point.

The point is that the 1st thing candidate McMahon, someone I don't know & who doesn't know me, mails to me in her campaign for one of the two US Senate seats for the state of CT, is a piece that is all about her opponent, and why he's - well, it doesn't say not a good candidate, it doesn't say he's not a good AG, it doesn't say he's a vile pederast; just that he has had some problems with facts. One of the 5 featured blurbs sez, in boldface, "He even traveled to Vancouver, Canada to attend a special interest fundraiser."

No, not Canada, that Gomorrahan hellhole! Good God! Next thing you'll tell me is he brought back some genuine Cuban cigars!! Where will it all end?

Does Team Linda want me ever to read, listen to, or believe anything they might say concerning what she will do on behalf of CT, or the US, or me? If so, too bad - they've forfeited their chance for a hearing.

pacino wrote:MUSLIMS!!!!

repost from hoya:

"I think another site would be a better idea...I believe that the people who are trying to build the mosque are trying to do something that is good, but there’s no point starting off trying to do something that’s good if it’s going to meet with an enormous resistance from a lot of folks."

Guess the speaker

if it was a hoya post it must be a democrat

More from Dean today

Other than a few of the shots at the right, I could have written this and felt proud.

There is no reason why they can't build a mosque on private property except that this country is full of racist and intolerent people. Republicans of all people should be the ones to respect what an organization can do with their own property.

I guess that is a reason though. If they build this mosque is there any doubt that they will be victims of hate crimes/

Especially since there's already a Muslim prayer room there that is much closer to the actual site and was there before the WTC was even built.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:There is no reason why they can't build a mosque on private property except that this country is full of racist and intolerent people. Republicans of all people should be the ones to respect what an organization can do with their own property.

I guess that is a reason though. If they build this mosque is there any doubt that they will be victims of hate crimes/

Did you read what Dean said?

How fucking stupid is everyone on the left who keeps bringing this back to rights? By and large people aren't disputing their right to build a mosque there, but asking whether it is right for them to do so. It's an easier argument to pretend the majority of voices are trying to stop the project from occurring by trampling on the rights of a minority, so that's the strawman being taken on regardless of the objection raised.

By a 64-28% margin NYS residents think there is a constitutional right to build the mosque. By a 63-27% they oppose the project. There's a door number three.

Who the fuck cares what people want? How fucking stupid are republican cronies that don't understand that? It's none of there business it's not their fucking property. Is this effecting their neighborhood in any possible way negatively? No.

I don't care what people think, no one should it's completely irrelevant. The sad thing is these idiots are putting real pressure on politicians who can theoreticall do something.

Did you read what Dean wrote?

If the point of this mosque is to advance interfaith understanding and improve relations between the American Muslim community and the public at large, and this has been put forth as one of the main points of this massive project (which may not ever get built anyway), then it does matter what people want. Howard Dean isn't an elected official. He's not a spineless dope like Harry Reid. He's making a point about how the whole project has become counterproductive. It is not about the 1st amendment; it's about common sense.

If it conforms with zoning there is nothing anyone can do to stop it really. So STFU noobs.

TheDude24 wrote:If it conforms with zoning there is nothing anyone can do to stop it really. So STFU noobs.

Yes?

jerseyhoya wrote:Did you read what Dean wrote?

If the point of this mosque is to advance interfaith understanding and improve relations between the American Muslim community and the public at large, and this has been put forth as one of the main points of this massive project (which may not ever get built anyway), then it does matter what people want. Howard Dean isn't an elected official. He's not a spineless dope like Harry Reid. He's making a point about how the whole project has become counterproductive. It is not about the 1st amendment; it's about common sense.

I don't care, the whole idea of a public official (although this doesn't apply to Dean) going on record as opposing a religious place of worship being built makes me furious.

dean ftw.

jerseyhoya wrote:By a 64-28% margin NYS residents think there is a constitutional right to build the mosque. By a 63-27% they oppose the project. There's a door number three.

I think what Nightman is trying to say is that "we grant that you have the right to build the community center [NOT a mosque, btw], but we'd really rather you didn't because, well, um, yeah" might be less awful than "fuck you, dark-sknned Ay-rabs! You ain't gots no rights!" but still shouldn't matter in terms of how the question is resolved.

For myself, as someone who works a few blocks from there and whose major complaint about the area is that every single friggin' place around there where I liked to eat lunch has closed in the last two years or so, the notion of it as "hallowed ground" couldn't be sillier. There's pr0n, trash, food carts, playgrounds, offices and small businesses, some housing, everything you'd expect in a mixed-use downtown neighborhood. The only people whose views of what's decent (or whatever it's supposed to be) for that area matter are on the local land use board, and they approved the project 29-1.

Beyond that, this is a wonderful distraction for politicians from our structurally fucked economy, the ongoing problems of being a half-assed empire, and everything else a more serious people would be worrying about.