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Postby drsmooth » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:42:09

Werthless wrote: Acknowledgment and acceptance by our highest public figure (Obama) of this conclusion, that some laws can be broken, is terrible policy BECAUSE of the consequences it will produce in the citizenry's mental accounting. With each law that the government agrees to ignore, the larger the logic behind "I'm an American citizen, and it is moral to obey the law because the law is just" is eroded.


Most days I can't even spell Macchiavelli, but I can imagine the political calculus that attended this terrible policy.

As for mental accounting, the evidence mounts that people generally are unbalanced that way; I'm not inclined to be concerned about the balance of people's mental accounts.

Dick Cheney is parenthetically a terrible human & should be forced to chew & swallow all extant copies of the "torture is ok" briefs from both current and preceding administrations, , & he should wash it all down by eating his own briefs.
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Postby drsmooth » Sat Apr 25, 2009 13:26:00



I liked Lonborg better (did you know he's a dentist now? I didn't either), & I don't love the sequence of Lomborg's reasoning. In the US at least, this argument

The Copenhagen agreement should instead call for every country to spend one-twentieth of a percent of its gross domestic product on low-carbon energy research and development. That would increase the amount of such spending 15-fold to $30 billion, yet the total cost would be only a sixth of the estimated $180 billion worth of lost growth that would result from the Kyoto restrictions.



will be more persuasive than this dubious kitchen-sink model benefit/cost analysis:

Economic estimates that assign value to the long-term benefits that would come from reducing warming — things like fewer deaths from heat and less flooding — show that every dollar invested in quickly making low-carbon energy cheaper can do $16 worth of good.
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Postby kruker » Sat Apr 25, 2009 15:01:55

It's a brief Op-Ed, and although I agree with your criticism, I think it works as an intro to his analysis. That could be a problem, because let's face it, 99% of people aren't going to go from that to reading his works, but for someone who is already familiar with him it works out.

I don't agree with him on every issue, but his arguments are usually very well thought out and innovative. I wish he was more widely read, if for no other reason, than to expose people to a perspective on environmental issues that isn't sanctimonious.

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Postby dajafi » Sat Apr 25, 2009 21:31:30

John Murtha: reminding us all that sheer porcine greed and delusional self-righteousness knows not party nor personality type

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Postby kruker » Sun Apr 26, 2009 00:44:39

Nate on TED talks:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkPI-Y2Vg5k[/youtube]

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:08:03

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Postby Werthless » Mon Apr 27, 2009 00:15:59

Fast food police: Caribbean takeaway closed down for opening too close to schools
The action is intended to combat child obesity by reducing the number of shops selling unhealthy fast food near schools and parks.
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'They told us that it's because we are too near a school, but this street is full of takeaways selling fish and chips and burgers.
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'But all we are doing is selling good food. It's not even unhealthy. We sell Jamaican-style rice and peas, and jerk chicken.

Not my work:
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Postby Wizlah » Mon Apr 27, 2009 05:43:52

Werthless wrote:Fast food police: Caribbean takeaway closed down for opening too close to schools
The action is intended to combat child obesity by reducing the number of shops selling unhealthy fast food near schools and parks.
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'They told us that it's because we are too near a school, but this street is full of takeaways selling fish and chips and burgers.
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'But all we are doing is selling good food. It's not even unhealthy. We sell Jamaican-style rice and peas, and jerk chicken.

Not my work:
Image


Nice to see the artist taking into account stab proof vests in his estimation of BMI. Good, also, to see you're perusing that finest and most balanced of all the fourth estate, the Daily Mail.
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Postby Werthless » Mon Apr 27, 2009 09:32:09

Yes, you caught me. I was definitely perusing the dailymail, and happened to come across both this article and this photoshop.

I was confused at the show of force, too.
At 10am eight police officers, some in anti-stab vests, joined three council employees on the doorstep of the Bamboo Joint takeaway.
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The Metropolitan Police was unable to explain why it had such a strong presence in the raid.

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Postby dajafi » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:17:18

This was interesting:

McCain's first hundred days

Seems pretty on the nose to me.

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Postby Werthless » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:28:42

dajafi wrote:This was interesting:

McCain's first hundred days

Seems pretty on the nose to me.

I agree.

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Postby Werthless » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:31:26

What do people think of this as a platform for reform?

We demand that the government strive to provide citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all.

Therefore, we demand an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education. We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. The government must undertake the improvement of public health - by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor, by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.

We combat the materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our country can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good.

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Postby dajafi » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:01:42

A colleague of mine just sent me this.

What happened to Obama's office of urban policy?

In November 2008, less than one week after winning the votes of city dwellers by a margin of 28 points, President-elect Barack Obama announced he would reward them by creating the first-ever “White House Office of Urban Policy.” Like other new aspects of Obama’s executive branch, appointing a city czar was intended to fast-track communications among city governments, federal agencies and the White House. With great fanfare, Obama dispatched his friend and fellow Chicagoan Valerie Jarrett to tell America that he was making good on his campaign pledge to “stop seeing cities as the problem and start seeing them as the solution.”
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But celebrations about the potential triumph of urban policy may be premature. In recent weeks, the Obama administration has begun referring to the office as “urban affairs,” rather than “urban policy,” a small but notable downgrade. And while other offices and Cabinet agencies have been staffing up—the Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships has representation in 12 government agencies—100 days in, urban affairs has announced only two senior staffers: Derek Douglas, who was special adviser to New York Gov. David Paterson, and former Bronx Borough President Adolfo Carrion, Jr., who faces allegations of mismanaging campaign donations and development projects in New York City.
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But while Urban Affairs has grand ambitions, it is operating as part of a complex bureaucracy that makes its real influence hard to observe. Douglas has an appointment in the Domestic Policy Council, but the office itself is not part of the council. Carrion works outside of the policy shop, under Jarrett, but primarily as a liaison to local governments. The office’s key issues span nearly a dozen agencies—among them, Transportation, Education, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Environmental Protection, even Homeland Security—agencies already hard at work on the problems facing urban America. The faith office is connecting [6] many urban communities of color with resources. The Domestic Policy Council’s Office of Mobility deals with poverty, and its Office of Opportunity and Social Innovation deals with private-sector investment. Moreover, Obama’s Cabinet is full of city dwellers with big ideas of their own, from Education Secretary Arne Duncan, to HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan, to Nancy Sutley, former deputy mayor of Los Angeles and head of the Council on Environmental Quality. So while the mandate of Urban Affairs includes “breaking down the traditional jurisdictional boundaries,” according to Douglas, its regulatory authority appears as limited as its challenges are great.

The office faces challenges aside from Beltway bureaucracy—namely coordination on a national scale. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has lobbied repeatedly—and “unsuccessfully,” he said last week—for Recovery Act funding to bypass governors and statehouses and go directly to city officials better attuned to constituent needs. Twenty-five mayors, including Bloomberg, have sent a letter to the president asking for a federal “Urban Innovation Fund” that would strategically invest and rigorously evaluate outcomes when it comes to urban policy. But there has been no indication that the White House or the office will lobby for more city-friendly appropriations; in fact, Recovery Act negotiations stripped $40 billion in aid that would have directly helped city budgets. And, when asked about the mayors’ letter, Douglas said that the two-person leadership team “is tossing around” a similar idea but is not working with the group.

Another part of the problem, some suspect, may be the experience level of Carrion, the director of the office. A former teacher with a record of general success in the Bronx—including a commitment to green building in low-income neighborhoods—Carrion is still essentially a local politician, now tasked with a massive nationwide renovation. While his deputy worked on federal policy for Paterson, this is Carrion’s first foray into national administration. “[He] doesn’t have a lot of experience in dealing with federal policy,” says Lind. “How could you give somebody like Adolfo Carrion control over, say the transportation laws in Milwaukee? It’s a hard leap to make.” Despite the campaign funding allegations (the White House declined to comment on the controversy, and requests to interview Carrion for this article were denied), Carrion beat out other, higher-profile officials whose names were floated for the position, including Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin; L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa; and Brookings Institution scholar Bruce Katz, who is now working as a senior adviser to HUD. Picking a “celebrity” to run the office might have inspired more confidence that it will make a difference to urban America.


I was not a big fan of Carrion, who helped shepherd through the enormous subsidies for Yankee Stadium as well as other big development projects in the South Bronx that will make a lot of money for the property owners, but do little for the community other than probably make the local asthma rate even worse.

Bruce Katz is a brilliant guy about whom I've never heard a bad word, but I'm not sure he would have been able to navigate a federal bureaucracy much better than Carrion. Villaraigosa would have been a great choice. Maybe Carrion's legal/ethical troubles will claim him and Villaraigosa will take the gig rather than run for governor in CA.

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Apr 27, 2009 13:50:58

Werthless wrote:What do people think of this as a platform for reform?

We demand that the government strive to provide citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all.

Therefore, we demand an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education. We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. The government must undertake the improvement of public health - by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor, by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.

We combat the materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our country can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good.


1) Prohibiting child labor is BS... if my grandfather can work in the coal mines when he was 8, so can you and your children.

2) There's this little thing called "Godwin's Law"...
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Postby dajafi » Mon Apr 27, 2009 13:59:52

Werthless wrote:What do people think of this as a platform for reform?

We demand that the government strive to provide citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all.

Therefore, we demand an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education. We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. The government must undertake the improvement of public health - by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor, by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.

We combat the materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our country can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good.


Tonally it reminds me of the college socialists I liked to make fun of 15 years ago. It's so self-righteous and proudly ignorant of or oblivious to societal norms (if poor parents of gifted children don't want them "educated at government expense," should the state forcibly seize them?) that whoever wrote this presumably explodes upon contact with reality.

It's almost difficult to take this seriously ("the materialistic spirit"? really?), but if I'm trying to do so, I guess the response is that the flavor of reform I prefer gets us closer to equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. To me that means primarily getting public education right, an endeavor in which we all have a stake regardless of partisan or ideological leanings. Problem is that those considerations often weigh so heavily on which specific reforms one prefers.

I do like the little note about "the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments." (Though I'm not at all sure I'd agree in every case--some small businesses are inept, or run by crooks, or simply inclined to bid at an absurdly high number.) Government procurement is something I've had to learn a bit about recently for a project, and it's pretty important though largely overlooked subject.

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Postby allentown » Mon Apr 27, 2009 14:33:35

dajafi wrote:
Werthless wrote:What do people think of this as a platform for reform?

We demand that the government strive to provide citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all.

Therefore, we demand an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education. We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. The government must undertake the improvement of public health - by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor, by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.

We combat the materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our country can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good.


Tonally it reminds me of the college socialists I liked to make fun of 15 years ago. It's so self-righteous and proudly ignorant of or oblivious to societal norms (if poor parents of gifted children don't want them "educated at government expense," should the state forcibly seize them?) that whoever wrote this presumably explodes upon contact with reality.

It's almost difficult to take this seriously ("the materialistic spirit"? really?), but if I'm trying to do so, I guess the response is that the flavor of reform I prefer gets us closer to equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. To me that means primarily getting public education right, an endeavor in which we all have a stake regardless of partisan or ideological leanings. Problem is that those considerations often weigh so heavily on which specific reforms one prefers.

I do like the little note about "the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments." (Though I'm not at all sure I'd agree in every case--some small businesses are inept, or run by crooks, or simply inclined to bid at an absurdly high number.) Government procurement is something I've had to learn a bit about recently for a project, and it's pretty important though largely overlooked subject.

Why should only big business be allowed to buy governments?
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Apr 27, 2009 14:52:25

I was trying to nip Werthless's baiting in the bud :o
(His quoted excerpt is from the Nazi party platform adopted in the 1920's)

I wasn't being totally facetious with my other comment... my grandfather really was a child laborer in the PA coal mines (as were many of his brothers and friends, where they would typically begin their "careers" laboring in the collieries around age 8, eventually getting down and dirty in the mines around age 12). He was 27 when he died.
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Postby Werthless » Mon Apr 27, 2009 15:41:12

Oops

An Air Force One lookalike, the backup plane for the one regularly used by the president, flew low over parts of New York and New Jersey on Monday morning, accompanied by two F-16 fighters, so Air Force photographers could take pictures high above the New York harbor.
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Unaware of the planned exercise, scores of office workers flooded out of buildings, worried about the prospect of terrorism.

“People came pouring out of the buildings, the American Express Building, all the buildings in the financial district by the water,” said Edward Acker, a photographer who was at the building, 3 World Financial Center. “And even the construction guys over by 100 North End Avenue area, they all got out of their buildings. Nobody knew about it. Finally some guy showed up with a little megaphone to tell everyone it was a test, but the people were not happy. The people who were here 9/11 were not happy.”

Mr. Acker added: “New York City police were standing right there and they had no knowledge of it. The evacuations were spontaneous. Guys from the floor came out, and one guy I talked to was just shaking.”


This seems like a bad idea for a photo op.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Apr 28, 2009 01:05:23

Werthless wrote:Oops

An Air Force One lookalike, the backup plane for the one regularly used by the president, flew low over parts of New York and New Jersey on Monday morning, accompanied by two F-16 fighters, so Air Force photographers could take pictures high above the New York harbor.
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Unaware of the planned exercise, scores of office workers flooded out of buildings, worried about the prospect of terrorism.

“People came pouring out of the buildings, the American Express Building, all the buildings in the financial district by the water,” said Edward Acker, a photographer who was at the building, 3 World Financial Center. “And even the construction guys over by 100 North End Avenue area, they all got out of their buildings. Nobody knew about it. Finally some guy showed up with a little megaphone to tell everyone it was a test, but the people were not happy. The people who were here 9/11 were not happy.”

Mr. Acker added: “New York City police were standing right there and they had no knowledge of it. The evacuations were spontaneous. Guys from the floor came out, and one guy I talked to was just shaking.”


This seems like a bad idea for a photo op.


It is a shame that our president is a bumbling retard that can't even get the basics right. I can't wait till this moron Bush is out of office so someone smart and detailed oriented is running the show, and we don't have Karl Rove making Lower Manhattan crap its pants for the sake of getting a pretty picture for political supporters.

Nice line from National Review:

Even if I weren't a conservative, today's NYC low-flying plane fiasco would remind me of all of government's flaws - something unnecessary (a photo op) executed incompetently (no one informed the public) with an unbelievably blind eye to obvious issues (potential panic from a low-flying jetliner, trailed by an F-16, flying over lower Manhattan). Now all I need to hear is that the exercise went over budget.

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