Al Franken Century / Super Inaug-u-rama Politics Thread

Postby allentown » Sat Feb 21, 2009 18:30:27

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Wizlah wrote:Serious question from someone far outwith the american political system. How likely is it that Rice stays close to the GOP thoughts and maybe thinks of running for a presidential candidate? Is she seen as some kind of puppet for the last administration, or actually viewed as someone who was busy making foreign policy in the shadow of cheney and bush? Cos she seemed to be putting in a lot of legwork over the final year, in places where it was needed. I remember my eyes fair popping when she visited India, because it seemed long overdue to start re-establishing solid diplomatic relations with them, instead of focussing solely on pakistan.


What doc said, but Rice also has a lot of traits that would render her a total non-starter for a Republican presidential run. She's single--I used to think she might be gay, but apparently she's dated a lot of former football players, so probably it's just that she didn't want to get hitched--and has no kids. She's (very quietly) pro-choice. And she's an African-American woman--either of which on their own might not disqualify her in a Republican primary, but both of which would seem to leave her on a far conceptual shore from the conservative primary electorate. (I'll add that I am by no means confident that the Democrats would nominate a woman of color either.)

I can buy that she absolutely would want a second act, and that her moderate Republican views actually would play in the right circumstances. But her lack of warmth, plus those other factors, plus what seems like a distaste for retail politicking, makes it feel like an inconceivable long shot.

I never thought and don't think she is gay, but wouldn't have been surprised to learn she was President Bush's mistress. Dating football players means nothing, though, that is the standard sort of Hollywood dodge that PR folks set up to cover for their gay acting clients, who want to remain in the closet.

She has very serious problems in a Republican primary or general election, though. First, she doesn't generate a sense of toughness; her tenure as National Security Advisor was generally viewed as a dismal failure, with her failing to crack heads and get the other key competitors (Rummy, Powell, the Cheney shop) on the same page where she and the President wanted them to be. Then as Sec of State, she had the totally impotent MidEast diplomancy shuttle and the even more damaging and very public 'hell no, we won't go' internal rebellion of career State Dept diplomats protesting the possibility of being assigned to Iraq. Beyond that, there are the demographics. Either Obama is a success and pretty much swept back into office in 2012, or he is deemed a failure and the electorate takes a long while before embracing another Obamaesque politician for President (partially black ethnicity, but more somewhat perceived as more intellectual and less macho than is typical). She also is not a spellbinding speaker and is not all that far to the right. She'd do better in a Dem primary than a Republican primary, but she'd be toast there too. Come 2016, she's ancient history. She's an academic again. I don't see Woodrow Wilson being elected President any time soon.
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Sat Feb 21, 2009 23:47:17

So a white friend and a black friend and I were listening to The Mixtape About Nothing last night and The Kramer - a song about the word nigger - was about to come on and I almost changed it to avoid controversy but then Eric Holder's words rang out in my mind so I left it on. Nothing really came of it.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Feb 22, 2009 03:04:52

Since there's nothing better to do when you get drunk than to talk about ridiculous LA politics, how bout the fact that Rodney Alexander is the dean of their House delegation, and he got elected in 2002? This is just mindboggling to me. They have seven reps, and only one has served more than two full terms. And that dude has served three.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:58:56

jerseyhoya wrote:Since there's nothing better to do when you get drunk than to talk about ridiculous LA politics, how bout the fact that Rodney Alexander is the dean of their House delegation, and he got elected in 2002? This is just mindboggling to me. They have seven reps, and only one has served more than two full terms. And that dude has served three.


Pretty strong anti-incumbent feelings.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:01:31

I don't think that's it. Baker, McCrery and Tauzin all could have kept getting reelected. They all retired to go make money. John and Vitter gave up their seats to run for Senate. Jindal ran for governor. Only Dollar Bill actually lost a race. Well and Cazayoux if you want to count him.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Feb 22, 2009 20:22:07

Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), already in political trouble for 2010, didn’t help matters any over the weekend.

At a Lincoln Day Dinner speech over the weekend, Bunning predicted that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg would likely be dead from pancreatic cancer in nine months, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal.

The paper reports that Bunning reiterated his support of conservative judges, saying “that’s going to be in place very shortly because Ruth Bader Ginsburg…has cancer.”

“Bad cancer. The kind you don’t get better from,” Bunning went on. “Even though she was operated on, usually nine months is the longest that anybody would live after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.”

News of his comments comes as Bunning continues to take fire from the very Senate campaign committee tasked to help his re-election. PolitickerKY, a Kentucky-based political website, reported that state Senate President David Williams met with officials at the National Republican Senatorial Committee to explore a primary campaign against Bunning.

The report suggested that operatives of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell were working to assist Williams in a potential primary campaign -- and that McConnell's pollster is commissioning a survey to assess Williams’ viability against Bunning.


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Postby Werthless » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:38:15

Rule number 327 of speech-making: Don't make death predictions.

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Postby Werthless » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:28:18

The state of Washington is sending $1 checks to people so that they can qualify for federal assistance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29311565/

Sending out $1 checks cost the state $250,000. DSHS says that could bring the state and additional $43 million in federal funding.

Call it red tape or a hoop to jump through. Either way, the state says it makes sense.

"I think it's an issue of maximizing the federal regulations to the advantage of Washington residents,” said Ribas.

Nelson says it just sounds like more bureaucracy.

"If there was that much money already there, why not just help distribute that among the recipients rather than doing it this way?” asks Nelson.

Since Nelson doesn’t have a checking account, cashing that $1 check would cost her $5 in fees. The state says, luckily, recipients don’t have to cash or deposit the checks to receive the additional benefits.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Feb 24, 2009 16:18:33

Bloomberg's approval rating falls... or does it?

Might be a very interesting election year here. I think that by mid-summer, there will be enormous populist, soak-the-rich backlash against Bloomberg... but at the same time, white technocratic/good-government progressives like many of my friends and colleagues, people who mostly loved him in 2005, might start to get over their disgust at how he overturned term limits without going back to the voters.

Myself, I'm still undecided whether it's better to have a Bloomberg even more convinced that he's infallible and indispensable, or a Democrat who comes pre-corrupted by all the forces that corrupt the breed here. That said, I don't think either of the two leading candidates for the Dem nod--the city comptroller, who's African-American and might be the most milquetoast personality ever to reach the upper levels of NYC politics, and a white outer-borough congressman who's smart but almost universally regarded as an a-hole, and who would alienate non-whites by winning a contested primary against the comptroller--can beat Bloomberg. Which isn't to say that nobody could.

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Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 24, 2009 16:26:32

Werthless wrote:The state of Washington is sending $1 checks to people so that they can qualify for federal assistance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29311565/

Sending out $1 checks cost the state $250,000. DSHS says that could bring the state and additional $43 million in federal funding.

Call it red tape or a hoop to jump through. Either way, the state says it makes sense.

"I think it's an issue of maximizing the federal regulations to the advantage of Washington residents,” said Ribas.

Nelson says it just sounds like more bureaucracy.

"If there was that much money already there, why not just help distribute that among the recipients rather than doing it this way?” asks Nelson.

Since Nelson doesn’t have a checking account, cashing that $1 check would cost her $5 in fees. The state says, luckily, recipients don’t have to cash or deposit the checks to receive the additional benefits.


Genuine free-market profits-or-bust("well not really bust - maybe we can get a bailout") businesses do incredibly stupid marketing/promotional things all the time with far worse payback than is involved in this little anecdote. You should be cheering the initiative, rather than bashing it. Decently nourished people require less health care than the famished.
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Postby lethal » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:07:06

dajafi wrote:milquetoast


Learn a new word every day reading this thread.

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:10:29

I look that word up once a year and never remember what it means.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:12:39

Imagine a piece of toast left to soak in milk, and then impute personality and character to it.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:14:10

dajafi wrote:Imagine a piece of toast left to soak in milk, and then impute personality and character to it.


Is the toast whole wheat? Is the milk unpasteurized, from grass fed cows hormone free cows?
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Postby Werthless » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:16:34

Two soggy pieces of toast are soaking in a bowl of milk.

Toast 1 says to the other, "You're such a milquetoast."

Toast 2 replies, "oh my god, talking bread!"

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Postby dajafi » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:23:43

TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:Imagine a piece of toast left to soak in milk, and then impute personality and character to it.


Is the toast whole wheat? Is the milk unpasteurized, from grass fed cows hormone free cows?


No. It's Wonder Bread, and the milk actually comes from rats.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:25:21

dajafi wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:Imagine a piece of toast left to soak in milk, and then impute personality and character to it.


Is the toast whole wheat? Is the milk unpasteurized, from grass fed cows hormone free cows?


No. It's Wonder Bread, and the milk actually comes from rats.


Free range rats?
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Postby dajafi » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:26:55

TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:Imagine a piece of toast left to soak in milk, and then impute personality and character to it.


Is the toast whole wheat? Is the milk unpasteurized, from grass fed cows hormone free cows?


No. It's Wonder Bread, and the milk actually comes from rats.


Free range rats?


Yes. They haven't yet figured out how to breed rats for maximum milky goodness.

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Postby Bucky » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:34:01

Bonus points to someone who can actually tell where the milquetoast/soft personality reference originated

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Postby Wizlah » Tue Feb 24, 2009 17:36:54

dajafi wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:Imagine a piece of toast left to soak in milk, and then impute personality and character to it.


Is the toast whole wheat? Is the milk unpasteurized, from grass fed cows hormone free cows?


No. It's Wonder Bread, and the milk actually comes from rats.


Free range rats?


Yes. They haven't yet figured out how to breed rats for maximum milky goodness.


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