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Postby lethal » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:15:35

Woody wrote:
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jeff2sf wrote:Housh, don't watch. What could be said by either party that would sway you? You have enough info. Anything cool that comes out of it can easily be youtubed. Spend time doing something more valuable than watching these guys.


i'm going to quizzo.


I'll be discussing P&G's global innovation strategies with a bunch of dorks like you two


I read this articlein the Times a few months back. Your post reminded me of this part:

“Habits are formed when the memory associates specific actions with specific places or moods,” said Dr. Wood, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at Duke. “If you regularly eat chips while sitting on the couch, after a while, seeing the couch will automatically prompt you to reach for the Doritos. These associations are sometimes so strong that you have to replace the couch with a wooden chair for a diet to succeed.”

The researchers at P.& G. realized that these types of findings had enormous implications for selling Febreze. Because bad smells occurred too infrequently for a Febreze habit to form, marketers started looking for more regular cues on which they could capitalize.

The perfect cue, they eventually realized, was the act of cleaning a room, something studies showed their target audience did almost daily. P.& G. produced commercials showing women spraying Febreze on a perfectly made bed and spritzing freshly laundered clothing. The product’s imagery was revamped to incorporate open windows and gusts of fresh wind — an airing that is part of the physical and emotional cleaning ritual.

“We learned from consumer interviews that there was an opportunity to cue the clean smell of Febreze to a clean room,” Dr. Berning said. “We positioned it as the finishing touch to a mundane chore. It’s the icing that shows you did a good job.”

In a sense, a product originally intended for use on piles of smelly, dirty clothes was eclipsed by its exact opposite — a product used when women confronted a clean and tidy living room. And the more women sprayed, the more automatic the behavior became.

Today, Febreze is one of P.& G.’s greatest successes. Customers habitually spray tidied living rooms, clean kitchens, loads of fresh laundry and, according to one of the most recent commercials, spotless minivans. In the most recent fiscal year, consumers in North America alone spent $650 million buying Febreze, according to the company.


Fascinating article altogether.

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Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:30:32

Camp Holdout wrote:
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Monkeyboy wrote:I believe this was put out by the Obama campign.

KEATING ECONOMICS: John McCain & The Making of a Financial Crisis:



I can't watch this at work, but I think it's stupid stupid stupid for them to go this route, if it is indeed put out by the campaign.


i agree its stupid. and it is put out by the campaign. but it is edited and framed in a way that almost makes it seem independent, like one of those robert greenwald films.

even if much of it is true. and maybe it is http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... s-keating/ it risks letting mccain help get the discussion off track.

either way... the dems better not mess this one up. as nate silver wrote in his blog today. it looks like mccain is facing a 3rd and long and is about to get sacked. but of course, there is that 4th down hail mary to survive, i wonder what that will be. "barack obama eats children?"


Yeah, the video is from Barack Obama's campaign, and yeah, it was a stupid thing to do. They were doing a relatively good job of staying above the fray; why didn't they stick with that?
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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:54:13

lethal wrote:
Woody wrote:
uncle milt wrote:
jeff2sf wrote:Housh, don't watch. What could be said by either party that would sway you? You have enough info. Anything cool that comes out of it can easily be youtubed. Spend time doing something more valuable than watching these guys.


i'm going to quizzo.


I'll be discussing P&G's global innovation strategies with a bunch of dorks like you two


I read this articlein the Times a few months back. Your post reminded me of this part:

“Habits are formed when the memory associates specific actions with specific places or moods,” said Dr. Wood, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at Duke. “If you regularly eat chips while sitting on the couch, after a while, seeing the couch will automatically prompt you to reach for the Doritos. These associations are sometimes so strong that you have to replace the couch with a wooden chair for a diet to succeed.”

The researchers at P.& G. realized that these types of findings had enormous implications for selling Febreze. Because bad smells occurred too infrequently for a Febreze habit to form, marketers started looking for more regular cues on which they could capitalize.

The perfect cue, they eventually realized, was the act of cleaning a room, something studies showed their target audience did almost daily. P.& G. produced commercials showing women spraying Febreze on a perfectly made bed and spritzing freshly laundered clothing. The product’s imagery was revamped to incorporate open windows and gusts of fresh wind — an airing that is part of the physical and emotional cleaning ritual.

“We learned from consumer interviews that there was an opportunity to cue the clean smell of Febreze to a clean room,” Dr. Berning said. “We positioned it as the finishing touch to a mundane chore. It’s the icing that shows you did a good job.”

In a sense, a product originally intended for use on piles of smelly, dirty clothes was eclipsed by its exact opposite — a product used when women confronted a clean and tidy living room. And the more women sprayed, the more automatic the behavior became.

Today, Febreze is one of P.& G.’s greatest successes. Customers habitually spray tidied living rooms, clean kitchens, loads of fresh laundry and, according to one of the most recent commercials, spotless minivans. In the most recent fiscal year, consumers in North America alone spent $650 million buying Febreze, according to the company.


Fascinating article altogether.


I've long suspected that many odorizing products were marketed based on creating a problem that didn't exist before. And then I congratulate myself on resisting the siren call of marketing.

But after awhile, I realize that I'm probably a victim of other kinds of marketing without realizing it.
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Postby uncle milt » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:59:47

my group in the capstone class did our big-whoosy-whatsy billionty page paper/twelvity five presentations on apple. i bought a maclap and ipwn. marketing guru yay though pc grills pineapples and goes to the beach now.

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:12:55

Mountainphan wrote: Also, the Keating Five affair was thoroughly covered by the press and only now is Obama's connection to Bill Ayers getting some serious scrutiny.

It's a minor point, but this is definitely the second go-round for the Ayers stuff. I don't think it's news to anyone.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:19:27

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
Mountainphan wrote: Also, the Keating Five affair was thoroughly covered by the press and only now is Obama's connection to Bill Ayers getting some serious scrutiny.

It's a minor point, but this is definitely the second go-round for the Ayers stuff. I don't think it's news to anyone.


And a not-so-minor point: McCain actively helped Keating wreck the S&L system. Obama sat with Ayers on a philanthropic board, and even this was a quarter-century after Ayers' pseudo-revolutionary incompetence.

I'm trying not to get worked up over any of this. But every time either of them mention Ayers or Wright, all I hear is "we have no answers to the country's problems."

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:27:55

lethal wrote:
Woody wrote:
uncle milt wrote:
jeff2sf wrote:Housh, don't watch. What could be said by either party that would sway you? You have enough info. Anything cool that comes out of it can easily be youtubed. Spend time doing something more valuable than watching these guys.


i'm going to quizzo.


I'll be discussing P&G's global innovation strategies with a bunch of dorks like you two


I read this articlein the Times a few months back. Your post reminded me of this part:

“Habits are formed when the memory associates specific actions with specific places or moods,” said Dr. Wood

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Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:28:43

uncle milt wrote:
jeff2sf wrote:Housh, don't watch. What could be said by either party that would sway you? You have enough info. Anything cool that comes out of it can easily be youtubed. Spend time doing something more valuable than watching these guys.


i'm going to quizzo.


where do you do quizzo?

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Postby uncle milt » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:37:07

CalvinBall wrote:
uncle milt wrote:
jeff2sf wrote:Housh, don't watch. What could be said by either party that would sway you? You have enough info. Anything cool that comes out of it can easily be youtubed. Spend time doing something more valuable than watching these guys.


i'm going to quizzo.


where do you do quizzo?


some bar in alexandria, va.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:42:11

If anyone finds any good debate drinking games, post here plz. I'll look around later. The only way I'm watching this crap tonight is if it's for a greater purpose.

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Postby The Red Tornado » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:42:54

Nate Silver on 538.com wrote:For the time being, however, John McCain is facing third and long -- and appears that he's about to get sacked.
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Postby Bucky » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:48:55

Didn't he just about catch about by the time he made his VP announcement?

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Postby VoxOrion » Tue Oct 07, 2008 13:55:49

Bhahaha Barney Frank is a racist by his own idiotic standard.

Today:

"They get to take things out on poor people," Frank said at a mortgage foreclosure symposium in Boston. "Let's be honest: The fact that some of the poor people are black doesn't hurt them either, from their standpoint. This is an effort, I believe, to appeal to a kind of anger in people."


August:

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Postby drsmooth » Tue Oct 07, 2008 14:06:17

VoxOrion wrote:Bhahaha Barney Frank is a racist by his own idiotic standard.

Today:

"They get to take things out on poor people," Frank said at a mortgage foreclosure symposium in Boston. "Let's be honest: The fact that some of the poor people are black doesn't hurt them either, from their standpoint. This is an effort, I believe, to appeal to a kind of anger in people."


August:

But we have made a mistake in this society. The assumption that everybody can be a homeowner is wrong. We pushed and encouraged people into home ownership - people who, in some cases, weren't ready for it. You can't act on wishes that are unrealistic without having negative consequences.


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Postby phdave » Tue Oct 07, 2008 14:42:51

TomatoPie wrote:Obama is not a terrorist, nor even sympathetic to them, as far as I can tell.

But his political ambition has been such that he's frequently indiscriminate in the associations made so long as those associations advance his career.

The concern is about Obama's judgment, and whether it has a moral component.


Mountainphan wrote:Does this mean Obama is a terrorist sympathizer? I don't think so at all.

What it does call into question is Obama's judgement and character to surround himself with the likes of Ayers, Wright et al. when it was political expedient to do so (and then throw them overboard when they became a liability).


I see that you two both got the talking points. I hope you get a lot of points for repeating them here, although this is not really a featured blog.

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Postby Bakestar » Tue Oct 07, 2008 14:46:07

Don't you ever leave us again, phdave!
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 07, 2008 14:52:55

If you get 50 points, you get appointed vote fixing captain of your precinct, which comes with a $500 bonus. The whole thing is sponsored by Diebold.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 07, 2008 14:56:00

House Race Hotline's Spotlight today:

Some Politics Is Local
With most nat'l polls shifting to Dems, and a heavy focus fixing on the economy, Dems are once again likely to score big gains in the fall. But a look at two states shows that Nov. may not bring us a carbon copy of '06.
-- In '06, Dems rode a toxic enviro to big gains in unexpected places. This year, that same scenario is playing out in normally GOP-friendly FL, where five GOPers (four of whom have never faced difficult re-election races) face tough fights. In a normal year, Reps. Lincoln (R-21) and Mario Diaz-Balart (R-25) would not be in dogfights. But new polls confirm that's the case this year.
-- But in NJ, GOPers are mystifyingly doing well. It's too easy for them to get carried away in NJ, which always seems to have polling showing GOPers tantalizingly close to victory in the final weeks. But things are looking up this cycle, as new polling shows GOPers on top in both GOP-held open seats. That situation seemed unimaginable just weeks ago.
-- In '06, Dems picked up 30 seats mostly because every competitive race tilted their way. This cycle, if GOPers are to hold on to more vulnerable seats, local factors (like, for example, an unpopular NJ state legislature) will have to play a role. That didn't happen in '06.


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Postby phdave » Tue Oct 07, 2008 15:07:01

jerseyhoya wrote:House Race Hotline's Spotlight today:

Some Politics Is Local
With most nat'l polls shifting to Dems, and a heavy focus fixing on the economy, Dems are once again likely to score big gains in the fall. But a look at two states shows that Nov. may not bring us a carbon copy of '06.
-- In '06, Dems rode a toxic enviro to big gains in unexpected places. This year, that same scenario is playing out in normally GOP-friendly FL, where five GOPers (four of whom have never faced difficult re-election races) face tough fights. In a normal year, Reps. Lincoln (R-21) and Mario Diaz-Balart (R-25) would not be in dogfights. But new polls confirm that's the case this year.
-- But in NJ, GOPers are mystifyingly doing well. It's too easy for them to get carried away in NJ, which always seems to have polling showing GOPers tantalizingly close to victory in the final weeks. But things are looking up this cycle, as new polling shows GOPers on top in both GOP-held open seats. That situation seemed unimaginable just weeks ago.
-- In '06, Dems picked up 30 seats mostly because every competitive race tilted their way. This cycle, if GOPers are to hold on to more vulnerable seats, local factors (like, for example, an unpopular NJ state legislature) will have to play a role. That didn't happen in '06.


Don't $#@! with me.


Don't get too confident. There's still time for another GOP pedophile scandal like in 2006.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 07, 2008 15:10:19

phdave wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:House Race Hotline's Spotlight today:

Some Politics Is Local
With most nat'l polls shifting to Dems, and a heavy focus fixing on the economy, Dems are once again likely to score big gains in the fall. But a look at two states shows that Nov. may not bring us a carbon copy of '06.
-- In '06, Dems rode a toxic enviro to big gains in unexpected places. This year, that same scenario is playing out in normally GOP-friendly FL, where five GOPers (four of whom have never faced difficult re-election races) face tough fights. In a normal year, Reps. Lincoln (R-21) and Mario Diaz-Balart (R-25) would not be in dogfights. But new polls confirm that's the case this year.
-- But in NJ, GOPers are mystifyingly doing well. It's too easy for them to get carried away in NJ, which always seems to have polling showing GOPers tantalizingly close to victory in the final weeks. But things are looking up this cycle, as new polling shows GOPers on top in both GOP-held open seats. That situation seemed unimaginable just weeks ago.
-- In '06, Dems picked up 30 seats mostly because every competitive race tilted their way. This cycle, if GOPers are to hold on to more vulnerable seats, local factors (like, for example, an unpopular NJ state legislature) will have to play a role. That didn't happen in '06.


Don't $#@! with me.


Don't get too confident. There's still time for another GOP pedophile scandal like in 2006.


I was being sarcastic, and if you've been reading along I'm anything but confident. I would, however, like if two of the seats we're able to hold unexpectedly were the two that I've been working on all year.

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