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by **swishnicholson** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:18:13

cshort wrote:I've been watching CNN and MSNBC, and with the exception of the lesbo on MSNBC,

You know how this makes you look, right? I just wanted to make sure that was the effect you were going for.

by **FlightRisk** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:19:50

Woody wrote:One of these days FlightRisk and I (Woody) are going to run away to (West) Hollywood (Florida) and make it big

Well you guys (FlightRisk and Woody) better get a move on. Because Obama is one pay-phone call away from, "...showing these people a world without you (us). A world without rules and controls, borders and boundaries. A world where anything is possible..."

"...and all of this, this bull5hit you (we) thing is so important, you (all y'all) can just kiss all that goodbye!"

by **Camp Holdout** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:20:49

dajafi wrote:Eh, I dunno.

I didn't think it was a great speech, but I wasn't expecting a great speech. My wife was somewhat upset because she thought it was effective. I think it showed the characteristic mean-spiritedness (how do you attack community organizers? Was that just coded racism? Granted, I doubt there's a community organizer alive who's a Republican, but still--you just don't choose to do that unless you've got a pretty big heart) and intellectual vacuity ("drill baby drill"? really?) of the Republicans.

tonight during her speech the words, "healing the world" were loudly booed.

and you are surprised by her scoffing at community organizers?

by **Woody** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:21:52

dajafi wrote:
Something I read today, can't remember where right now, was that unlike Bush in '04, McCain can't win this election simply by mobilizing the base--though he has to do that. Palin, a faith-based selection if ever there was one, obviously excites the hardcore Republicans. She obviously turns off the hardcore Democrats. I don't think she draws the independents and marginal Democrats, whom McCain needs to win, particularly after Obama's pretty good DNC effort to bring those people home.

Michael Smerconish has basically been saying the same thing since the announcement of Palin

by **swishnicholson** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:22:21

FlightRisk wrote:
Woody wrote:One of these days FlightRisk and I (Woody) are going to run away to (West) Hollywood (Florida) and make it big

Well you guys (FlightRisk and Woody) better get a move on. Because Obama is one pay-phone call away from, "...showing these people a world without you (us). A world without rules and controls, borders and boundaries. A world where anything is possible..."

"...and all of this, this bull5hit you (we) thing is so important, you (all y'all) can just kiss all that goodbye!"

What IS that smell?

by **WilliamC** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:22:28

Camp Holdout wrote:
WilliamC wrote:
Camp Holdout wrote:
pacino wrote:
WilliamC wrote:
cshort wrote:I've been watching CNN and MSNBC, and with the exception of the lesbo on MSNBC, the commentators all seem to think she did a good job, and she may create problems for the Obama campaign.

Also, seems like they can take the gloves off of Biden, and should make for a good debate. And while he may beat her up on some issues, I wouldn't be surprised if she handles her own. This girl is no wallflower.

That is why Biden is going to have a tough time. She is no wallflower at all, but if he treats her like one(which I think he might because he don't want to look like a dickhead and have people saying look at how he treats this lady) he is going to be TKO in the first couple rounds.

I think that was part of the strategy and I kind of like it. He can't treat her like a wallflower, but he might be forced into it due to the voters mindset.

It's a win-win either way.

so to you it's not what they debate about, it's HOW they debate it.

direct hit.

but sadly, that probably is worth more votes in this country.

Direct hit how?

i assumed that your "she's not a wallflower" point was showing that she has an aggresive style that voters werent aware.

she didnt prove (or attempt to prove) any kind of expertise or grasp on issues that might be debated with joe biden... and you didnt appear to care or think that matters to the voter.

and i sadly agreed with you on that last point. but also think its pretty revealing...

And sadly, you make a good point of your own. The point is that it won't be revealing to the people that have a one-track mindset(which makes up a LOT of voters). I just happen to be on the side of McCain-Palin this time. If the goal was to win, McCain certainly made the right choice. We aren't electing Palin as President, we are electing McCain. She seems like a likeable lady and I think likeable is always a good thing.

by **Woody** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:23:15

FlightRisk wrote:
Woody wrote:One of these days FlightRisk and I (Woody) are going to run away to (West) Hollywood (Florida) and make it big

Well you guys (FlightRisk and Woody) better get a move on. Because Obama is one pay-phone call away from, "...showing these people a world without you (us). A world without rules and controls, borders and boundaries. A world where anything is possible..."

"...and all of this, this bull5hit you (we) thing is so important, you (all y'all) can just kiss all that goodbye!"

This was the most tear-jerking homage (eulogy) to Don Lafontaine that I've seen yet (today)

by **Mountainphan** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:26:31

Judging by the "old" thread, it's obvious two things have happened this evening.

1) The Phils lost a game to $^%%^$ Nationals in heartbreaking fashion.
2) Palin gave one helluva speech.

Glad I missed the former and disappointed I missed the latter.

by **Camp Holdout** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:28:34

dajafi wrote:I think it showed the characteristic mean-spiritedness (how do you attack community organizers? Was that just coded racism? Granted, I doubt there's a community organizer alive who's a Republican, but still--you just don't choose to do that unless you've got a pretty big heart)

you werent the only one who thinks this was a bit... eye opening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_X94Htpht4

by **dajafi** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:29:30

Woody wrote:
dajafi wrote:
Something I read today, can't remember where right now, was that unlike Bush in '04, McCain can't win this election simply by mobilizing the base--though he has to do that. Palin, a faith-based selection if ever there was one, obviously excites the hardcore Republicans. She obviously turns off the hardcore Democrats. I don't think she draws the independents and marginal Democrats, whom McCain needs to win, particularly after Obama's pretty good DNC effort to bring those people home.

Michael Smerconish has basically been saying the same thing since the announcement of Palin

Probably we're both wrong then. That guy's a dimwit.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:30:51

The heaping pile of drool on Jonathan Martin's blog at the Politico was all I needed.

A savvy GOP consultant asks a timely question after Palin's speech:

Who's most bummed?

Obama?

Biden?

Mitt?

Huck?

Damn that was good.

She gave a big time speech tonight.

by **Rev_Beezer** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:31:48

I lived in Lancaster and worked in that community (at a church) for a year. Trust me, Palin would be eaten for dinner doing the work Community Organizers do. It's not work without responsibilities, as she would have you believe. It is hard fucking work. I am extremely pissed at her remarks concerning that.

Fuck you, Sarah Palin.

by **Woody** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:32:19

dajafi wrote:
Woody wrote:
dajafi wrote:
Something I read today, can't remember where right now, was that unlike Bush in '04, McCain can't win this election simply by mobilizing the base--though he has to do that. Palin, a faith-based selection if ever there was one, obviously excites the hardcore Republicans. She obviously turns off the hardcore Democrats. I don't think she draws the independents and marginal Democrats, whom McCain needs to win, particularly after Obama's pretty good DNC effort to bring those people home.

Michael Smerconish has basically been saying the same thing since the announcement of Palin

Probably we're both wrong then. That guy's a dimwit.

Really? I think he's pretty level-headed about most things, but I haven't listened to him that much

by **WilliamC** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:32:50

We definitely alienated the Pastoral vote.

by **Rev_Beezer** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:36:24

WilliamC wrote:We definitely alienated the Pastoral vote.

I'm fairly sure that "Traditional Denominational Christian" is an area that doesn't have a lot of concern for either party.

by **Mountainphan** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:36:36

Rev_Beezer wrote:I lived in Lancaster and worked in that community (at a church) for a year. Trust me, Palin would be eaten for dinner doing the work Community Organizers do. It's not work without responsibilities, as she would have you believe. It is hard $#@! work. I am extremely pissed at her remarks concerning that.

$#@! you, Sarah Palin.

So who's tougher, Lancaster or Lebanon? I vote Lebanon.

by **Rev_Beezer** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:38:01

Mountainphan wrote:
Rev_Beezer wrote:I lived in Lancaster and worked in that community (at a church) for a year. Trust me, Palin would be eaten for dinner doing the work Community Organizers do. It's not work without responsibilities, as she would have you believe. It is hard $#@! work. I am extremely pissed at her remarks concerning that.

$#@! you, Sarah Palin.

So who's tougher, Lancaster or Lebanon? I vote Lebanon.

I only drove through Lebanon to visit friends. No clue.

by gr » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:38:42

i will freely admit that i know not a whole lot about what Obama did as a community organizer. can anyone point me to a reasonable website that outlines this? something with some sort of even-handedness. not his memoirs, something report-based.

by **WilliamC** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:42:28

Rev_Beezer wrote:
WilliamC wrote:We definitely alienated the Pastoral vote.

I'm fairly sure that "Traditional Denominational Christian" is an area that doesn't have a lot of concern for either party.

I was just kidding. Obviously, I hope.

I know you have an open mind, by far the coolest Rev I've ever come across.

Aside from my Pastor Walters.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 00:42:51

Peggy Noonan seems less than thrilled that her private conversation was made public and taken out of context.

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