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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat May 31, 2008 10:05:44

That's true. Really to win this year Lautenberg's stroke has to be timed for late October. Too late for the ballots to be reprinted. Of course, they'd probably just elect a vegetable.

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Postby Monkeyboy » Sat May 31, 2008 14:19:46

Is this the type of experience you were talking about with Gramm?

In the 1990s, as chairman of the Senate banking committee, he routinely turned down Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt's requests for more money to police Wall Street; during this period, the sec's workload shot up 80 percent, but its staff grew only 20 percent. Gramm also opposed an sec rule that would have prohibited accounting firms from getting too close to the companies they audited—at one point, according to Levitt's memoir, he warned the sec chairman that if the commission adopted the rule, its funding would be cut. And in 1999, Gramm pushed through a historic banking deregulation bill that decimated Depression-era firewalls between commercial banks, investment banks, insurance companies, and securities firms—setting off a wave of merger mania.

But Gramm's most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industry—friends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional career—came on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered dead—even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. "Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it," says a congressional aide familiar with the bill's history.

It's not exactly like Gramm hid his handiwork—far from it. The balding and bespectacled Texan strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act's inclusion into the must-pass budget package. But only an expert, or a lobbyist, could have followed what Gramm was saying. The act, he declared, would ensure that neither the sec nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (cftc) got into the business of regulating newfangled financial products called swaps—and would thus "protect financial institutions from overregulation" and "position our financial services industries to be world leaders into the new century."

It didn't quite work out that way. For starters, the legislation contained a provision—lobbied for by Enron, a generous contributor to Gramm—that exempted energy trading from regulatory oversight, allowing Enron to run rampant, wreck the California electricity market, and cost consumers billions before it collapsed. (For Gramm, Enron was a family affair. Eight years earlier, his wife, Wendy Gramm, as cftc chairwoman, had pushed through a rule excluding Enron's energy futures contracts from government oversight. Wendy later joined the Houston-based company's board, and in the following years her Enron salary and stock income brought between $915,000 and $1.8 million into the Gramm household.)

But the Enron loophole was small potatoes compared to the devastation that unregulated swaps would unleash. Credit default swaps are essentially insurance policies covering the losses on securities in the event of a default. Financial institutions buy them to protect themselves if an investment they hold goes south. It's like bookies trading bets, with banks and hedge funds gambling on whether an investment (say, a pile of subprime mortgages bundled into a security) will succeed or fail. Because of the swap-related provisions of Gramm's bill—which were supported by Fed chairman Alan Greenspan and Treasury secretary Larry Summers—a $62 trillion market (nearly four times the size of the entire US stock market) remained utterly unregulated, meaning no one made sure the banks and hedge funds had the assets to cover the losses they guaranteed.

In essence, Wall Street's biggest players (which, thanks to Gramm's earlier banking deregulation efforts, now incorporated everything from your checking account to your pension fund) ran a secret casino. "Tens of trillions of dollars of transactions were done in the dark," says University of San Diego law professor Frank Partnoy, an expert on financial markets and derivatives. "No one had a picture of where the risks were flowing." Betting on the risk of any given transaction became more important—and more lucrative—than the transactions themselves, Partnoy notes: "So there was more betting on the riskiest subprime mortgages than there were actual mortgages." Banks and hedge funds, notes Michael Greenberger, who directed the cftc's division of trading and markets in the late 1990s, "were betting the subprimes would pay off and they would not need the capital to support their bets."

These unregulated swaps have been at "the heart of the subprime meltdown," says Greenberger. "I happen to think Gramm did not know what he was doing. I don't think a member in Congress had read the 262-page bill or had thought of the cataclysm it would cause." In 1998, Greenberger's division at the cftc proposed applying regulations to the burgeoning derivatives market. But, he says, "all hell broke loose. The lobbyists for major commercial banks and investment banks and hedge funds went wild. They all wanted to be trading without the government looking over their shoulder."

Now, belatedly, the feds are swooping in—but not to regulate the industry, only to bail it out, as they did in engineering the March takeover of investment banking giant Bear Stearns by JPMorgan Chase, fearing the firm's collapse could trigger a dominoes-like crash of the entire credit derivatives market.



Why should I trust this guy to cleanup a mess that he helped create?
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Postby dajafi » Sat May 31, 2008 14:36:27

I think Gramm was known as "the senator from Enron." That tells you pretty much what you need to know about his ethics and regard for fair play.

And I didn't mention this when we were talking about this before, but what's pretty funny about McCain's economic team is that in addition to Gramm, well known as a cold-hearted bastard, he's got Jack Kemp--self-described "bleeding heart conservative"--advising him.

I guess the favorable (and IMO at least sort of plausible) way to look at this is that McCain would let the two of them argue it out and then choose, which is the way pre-Bush presidents of both parties tended to operate. But it would be difficult to find two prominent Republican economic voices further apart than those two guys.

Meanwhile, I was watching the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee on C-SPAN earlier while having coffee... it's probably too inside-baseball to do this, but the Republicans could do a lot worse than taking clips from that thing, in all its process-fetishistic glory and mind-numbing detail, and voice-overing "Seriously--you'd trust these guys to run the country?!?"

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Postby pacino » Sat May 31, 2008 15:01:24

anyone watching right now? pretty pathetic
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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat May 31, 2008 15:10:23

dajafi wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:http://joshkahn.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/may-memo-to-gb-list.pdf

Interesting leaked memo from a respected GOP pollster. Glen is good friends with my old boss, and is also a huge Giants fan. I had a nice chat with him the week of the Super Bowl, as he came into our office and I was sitting at my desk wearing my Derrick Ward jersey. Anyhow, I thought it was an interesting read about how effed we are, and the internal advice members are getting.


That is interesting. Thanks for posting. To me, as a Democrat who hates Bush/Rovism but wants to see a Republican revival (albeit not this year--the Bush/Rove/DeLay model has to be thoroughly discredited first), it's also tremendously encouraging.

Here's another take on Bolger's findings, going into the underlying data, from another Republican strategist.

Let’s take a deeper look into the data and see how our messages play when voters know where they’re from and when they don’t know which party is saying what. If you want the exact wording of both parties’ message and the full data, go back and take a second look at the poll.

Let’s start with the economy. When voters know what party each message comes from, we lose 37% to 58% and trail among independents by 18%. Ouch. However, when you read both messages without telling voters who they come from, the story gets worse.

Republican voters like the Democrat’s message more than their own party’s message by a large 14% margin when they don’t know which party it comes from. Just as disturbing, numbers among independents drop by another 10%... giving the Democrats a massive 28% advantage. Even our horrifically damaged image is better than our message on the economy. Independents and even Republicans simply like the Democrats’ plan more than ours.

Iraq and trade both follow the exact same pattern. We’re getting smashed on both issues on the partisan test, but when you look at the nonpartisan test where our damaged image isn’t a factor, the numbers get even worse among Independents and Republicans. A few Democrats (and in the case of trade a bunch of Democrats) move our way on the nonpartisan ballot, but Independents actually agree with our messages more when they know the messages came from Republicans.

On taxes, the picture gets more complex. On the partisan text, Independents like the Democrats’ message by significant 14% margin, but Republicans still like our message and give us a resounding 39% advantage. That changes drastically on the nonpartisan test.

When the party’s names are removed, Independents are almost evenly split, giving the Democrats’ message a small 5% advantage. However, Republican voters stampede away from the GOP message. Among Republicans, support for the GOP message on taxes drops by a gargantuan 53% when the party’s names are removed, leaving the Democrats with a 14% advantage. You read that right, on the nonpartisan test, Independents like the GOP message on taxes more than Republicans do and even Independents slightly favor the Democrats.

The takeaway? Our message right now is electoral poison and this isn’t all about “brand.”


I know you don't want to hear this as an operative, but there really is a great opportunity here for Republicans to reinvent themselves. It might not fully manifest until the Ds get real power and (as they inevitably will) screw it up. And the Republicans themselves might not fully get it until they get their clocks cleaned this November. (In that sense, it could be argued that a McCain win actually would be counterproductive.) But I think the Jindal/Pawlenty/Douthat/Salam musings are a good start.


So basically, the Dems have the messaging and policies to win. Why don't they ever get their brand in position to win?? I still don't feel confident that McCain doesnt' slip in the back door. And if there is more cheating like the last two, whether Diebold, or local shenaningans with voter registration or polling circumstnaces to disenfranchise poor and people of color in key areas... message may not matter. Good stuff.

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Postby pacino » Sat May 31, 2008 19:59:01

CUT EM IN HALF
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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat May 31, 2008 22:13:14

I would rather see you lose than win myself

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat May 31, 2008 22:15:17

It's good to see Obama make this move after four months.

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Postby TomatoPie » Sat May 31, 2008 22:29:43

Couldn't he wait for the next nutty preacher?

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat May 31, 2008 22:32:33

How was Obama supposed to know that batshit crazy preachers preached at his church? I mean, just that it seemed that preachers said crazy shit at his church on a regular basis. How's he supposed to know?

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sun Jun 01, 2008 00:56:30

jerseyhoya wrote:How was Obama supposed to know that $#@! crazy preachers preached at his church? I mean, just that it seemed that preachers said crazy $#@! at his church on a regular basis.

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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sun Jun 01, 2008 07:44:57

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Postby VoxOrion » Sun Jun 01, 2008 08:40:10

I don't buy any of this Hillary supporters voting McCain thing. Seems akin to Coulter claiming she'd vote Hillary - just emotional hyperbole that'll have plenty of time to cool off by November.

Unless Hillary finds some way to keep the bitterness going and not allow time to heal.... oh, right...
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Postby Bakestar » Sun Jun 01, 2008 08:41:58

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s[/youtube]
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Postby drsmooth » Sun Jun 01, 2008 08:55:15

dajafi wrote:... it's probably too inside-baseball to do this, but the Republicans could do a lot worse than taking clips from that thing, in all its process-fetishistic glory and mind-numbing detail, and voice-overing "Seriously--you'd trust these guys to run the country?!?"


blessed are teh sausagemakers, for they shall be called children of Ob.

One obvious Dem counter would be a spot flashing on various term 1 bushies with this voiceover:

"if you think the Dems whole MI-FL thing was ugly, you should have seen the Reps arguing over our decision to invade Iraq!

Hmm...Come to think of it....maybe we ALL should have...."
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Postby drsmooth » Sun Jun 01, 2008 09:02:39

Warszawa wrote:Image


this pic has to have been staged. However, if its provenance can be confirmed, it should be a front-runner for a Pulitzer

:lol:
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Postby Bakestar » Sun Jun 01, 2008 09:10:02

drsmooth wrote:
Warszawa wrote:Image


this pic has to have been staged. However, if its provenance can be confirmed, it should be a front-runner for a Pulitzer

:lol:


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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jun 01, 2008 09:44:40

Holy crap that video is nuts. These people are racialists.

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Postby Debbie F. » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:07:24

jerseyhoya wrote:How was Obama supposed to know that $#@! crazy preachers preached at his church? I mean, just that it seemed that preachers said crazy $#@! at his church on a regular basis. How's he supposed to know?


I'm Catholic, so I've been listening to some crazy $#@! in church all my life. I think that the Church is completely out there on almost every issue that involves gender and sex. And I feel it on a deep, viseral level. Somehow, though, even when I deeply disagreed, I never grabbed my kid and got up and walked out of Mass. I check off Catholic on forms where it asks for your religion, and I carry a card in my wallet that says in case of an accident, contact a priest. Because, despite everything, there is still something there for me on a purely spiritual level and I am constantly trying to find a way not to be pushed out, or to push myself out. So, since Barack and I seem to be the only two people in America who are ambivalent about their church, and who have stayed when it might be better to go, I have some compassion where most people don't. I hope he is able to find peace on a personal as well as political level with his decision to leave. I guess my very politically aware daughter better never run for office, though...her liberal cred must be shot by sitting next to her mom instead of denouncing her has a hypocrite through some of those homilies.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:07:37

NJ Senate Democratic Primary

Sen. Frank Launtenberg is in his second act as a senator from New Jersey. Having represented the state from 1982-2000, Lautenberg retired at the age of 75, but when Bob Torricelli was looking like a sure loser in 2002 and dropped out late, the state party turned to Lautenberg in a pinch. Lautenberg won a fairly comfortable 10 point victory over Doug Forrester, and has thoroughly enjoyed his return to the senate.

The subject of many retirement rumors due to his age (he is now 84, the third oldest member of the senate), Lautenberg has always made his intention to run for reelection clear. One of the other reasons for the frequent retirement rumors is the ambitions nature of many of the members of NJ’s congressional delegation. Rob Andrews, Steve Rothman, and Frank Pallone were all sitting on large campaign accounts and run in districts where they never have tough reelection races. Lautenberg thought he had all seven members of the delegation behind him, but at the last minute, Rob Andrews decided to challenge Lautenberg.

The two men agree on just about every issue, though that hasn’t stopped it from being a fairly contentious primary. Andrews has attacked Lautenberg for his age and also his residency. Lautenberg’s wife lives in NYC, he has taken his homestead exemption in Washington DC in the past, and an aide of his has mentioned that one of her jobs is picking the senator’s mail from his NJ home. In a state like NJ with a perpetual inferiority complex, this can be a big deal.

Lautenberg has attacked Andrews for supporting the Iraq war and actually being one of the original authors of the Iraq war resolution. Lautenberg also supported the war in 2002, during his senate campaign, but as he wasn’t in Congress, he didn’t vote on it. Lautenberg has been calling Andrews “Bush/Andrews” which isn’t exactly the nicest thing to be called in a Democratic Primary.

Andrews has an uphill climb due to geography and name ID. Lautenberg has the support of every county north of Trenton, Andrews every county south of Trenton. About ¾ of the state’s Democratic primary voters live north of Trenton. Also, Andrews just got in the race a couple of months ago, and though he ran for governor in 1997, losing the primary to Jim McGreevey, he is not nearly as well known as the four term senator he’s running against.

Although Andrews has gotten the majority of newspaper endorsements and most voters have expressed concern over Lautenberg’s age, no one really expects Lautenberg to lose. Adding to Andrews’ problems is a third candidate in the race, Donald Cresitello, the mayor of Morristown, who is running on an anti illegal immigration platform and will eat some percentage of the “not Lautenberg” vote.

If I were a betting man, I’d guess Andrews holds Lautenberg to less than 60%, but falls well short. Something on the order of 55-40-5.

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