mpmcgraw wrote:troll? serially?

I think we really have come full circle and you are just completely julio now.

true, complete true

you get five points

you really have no idea what 'mods' talk about. we actually talk about rainbows and unicorns

I like rainbows and I'm not even a moderator.

pacino wrote:

mpmcgraw wrote:troll? serially?

I think we really have come full circle and you are just completely julio now.

true, complete true

you get five points

you really have no idea what 'mods' talk about. we actually talk about rainbows and unicorns

and philly skyscrapers.

pacino wrote:

mpmcgraw wrote:troll? serially?

I think we really have come full circle and you are just completely julio now.

true, complete true

you get five points

you really have no idea what 'mods' talk about. we actually talk about rainbows and unicorns

mods on genuine kickass boards communicate using only their minds

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OUxBvlLr0[/youtube]

General election ad numero uno

Cap and trade failed by a lot. I have another year to learn what it actually is.

drsmooth wrote:

pacino wrote:

mpmcgraw wrote:troll? serially?

I think we really have come full circle and you are just completely julio now.

true, complete true

you get five points

you really have no idea what 'mods' talk about. we actually talk about rainbows and unicorns

mods on genuine kickass boards communicate using only their minds

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Clinton apologists, care to explain this one away?

Note Singer's non-denial--and its tonal consistency with the Jay Carson quote I posted from the Vanity Fair article a couple days ago.

jerseyhoya wrote:
General election ad numero uno

McCain doesn't want America to be at war any more than Obama does. McCain thinks staying in Iraq will, in the long run, prevent more loss of life. The McCain campaign has allowed the Democrats to position them as in favor of war. They appear to have woken up to that realization. Obama tells America in speech that he'll bring the troops home, give everyone healthcare, and get them jobs. He will change America into whatever his supporters want it changed into. When McCain does his "straight talk" he gives America lowers expectations about what he'll accomplish. The guy who promises less doesn't win.

jerseyhoya wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OUxBvlLr0[/youtube]

General election ad numero uno

I love how they have the lighting just perfectly so you can't see that thing on his face

Yeah, I liked that too. And the end shot when he's giving the disclaimer, you see the good side of his face too.

IM NOT TOO OLD. LOOK HOW PRETTY THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY FACE IS.

Laexile wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:
General election ad numero uno

McCain doesn't want America to be at war any more than Obama does. McCain thinks staying in Iraq will, in the long run, prevent more loss of life. The McCain campaign has allowed the Democrats to position them as in favor of war. They appear to have woken up to that realization. Obama tells America in speech that he'll bring the troops home, give everyone healthcare, and get them jobs. He will change America into whatever his supporters want it changed into. When McCain does his "straight talk" he gives America lowers expectations about what he'll accomplish. The guy who promises less doesn't win.

There was a war in Iraq with significant aftermath.

McCain voted for said war.

McCain doesn't want to leave Iraq for the forseeable future.

McCain =/ for the war?

dajafi wrote:Clinton apologists, care to explain this one away?

Note Singer's non-denial--and its tonal consistency with the Jay Carson quote I posted from the Vanity Fair article a couple days ago.

Really, do stories like this surprise anybody? What surprises me is that Andrews would even pass it along. I mean, what purpose does it serve other than to continue to have a divided Democratic party?

traderdave wrote:

dajafi wrote:Clinton apologists, care to explain this one away?

Note Singer's non-denial--and its tonal consistency with the Jay Carson quote I posted from the Vanity Fair article a couple days ago.

Really, do stories like this surprise anybody? What surprises me is that Andrews would even pass it along. I mean, what purpose does it serve other than to continue to have a divided Democratic party?

The purpose I hope it would serve is to further illustrate how the Clintons operate. But you're probably right, sadly, that like anything else with them (or the Bushes, for that matter), one's preconceived notions will determine how one reads this--either as confirmation of something obvious or yet another scurrilous and unfounded attack on those exemplars of nobility.

pacino wrote:

Laexile wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:
General election ad numero uno

McCain doesn't want America to be at war any more than Obama does. McCain thinks staying in Iraq will, in the long run, prevent more loss of life. The McCain campaign has allowed the Democrats to position them as in favor of war. They appear to have woken up to that realization. Obama tells America in speech that he'll bring the troops home, give everyone healthcare, and get them jobs. He will change America into whatever his supporters want it changed into. When McCain does his "straight talk" he gives America lowers expectations about what he'll accomplish. The guy who promises less doesn't win.

There was a war in Iraq with significant aftermath.

McCain voted for said war.

McCain doesn't want to leave Iraq for the forseeable future.

McCain =/ for the war?

I realize that you're just trying to twist something here. So Obama wants to increase the number of US troops fighting the Taliban. Does that make him pro-war?

John McCain's goal of staying is to prevent deaths. I can't seriously think that people believe he wants more people to die. He wants hostilities to end as soon as possible.

John McCain would like to leave Iraq tomorrow. He believes that if we leave Iraq before things are stabilized more people will die than if we stay. If the US withdraws from Iraq there may be a Sunni-Shiite war, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths. Iran is already increasing its influence in other countries and is already arming Shiite militias. Iran will use a US exit to expand their role in the Middle East. To counter that Sunnis will join al Quaeda and flow into the area to fight. In the long run, more powerful Islamic militants on both sides could result in more American deaths worldwide.

Bush got us into a war that was horribly mismanaged and has created more Islamic militants than existed before. Even though Obama would never have done that he still would need to run this country in that world. The question before the next President is how to stabilize the Middle East and prevent American and Iraqi deaths. McCain thinks he can do that by staying. Obama believes he can do that by leaving.

Oil up to $138/barrel

The Dude wrote:Oil up to $138/barrel

And unemployment jumped from 5.0% to 5.5%.

And the Dow is down more than 300 points.

These are all related (I think). And not good.

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Dude wrote:Oil up to $138/barrel

And unemployment jumped from 5.0% to 5.5%.

And the Dow is down more than 300 points.

These are all related (I think). And not good.

Definitely oil and the DJ, but probably not the unemployment rate.

None of it good, though, you're right about that. I see that my all-time favorite asshat Tom DeLay is calling Obama a Marxist; he's not, of course--he's in fact a lot more centrist than the Clintons were, at least in this campaign--but if this economy keeps up, people will start adding "not that there's anything wrong with that."

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Dude wrote:Oil up to $138/barrel

And unemployment jumped from 5.0% to 5.5%.

And the Dow is down more than 300 points.

These are all related (I think). And not good.

You people must hate America and root for her failure.

Frankly, a little perspective might help--we aren't anywhere close to the kind of stagflation we had in the 70s. And that was nothing like the 30s, or so I was told. You kids need to suck it up a bit and stop whining about gas prices and 5.5% unemployment. No one told you to go out and buy Navigator with $3000 Spinners now, did they?

Laexile wrote:John McCain's goal of staying is to prevent deaths. I can't seriously think that people believe he wants more people to die. He wants hostilities to end as soon as possible.

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"War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength."