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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Sep 07, 2007 15:39:45

I'm thinking there is something screwy with that test. I wasn't surprised I got Richardson, but Gravel was high up on my list as well.
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Postby pacino » Fri Sep 07, 2007 15:41:00

Maybe Gravel is a whiny prick...but maybe so is everybody else in the nation and we all want to vote for ourselves.

He does make a lot of good points when you get past the stupid reason he's running. And Kucinich? For some reason no one takes the guy seriously and his social issues are probably closest to a real person's that I know. he doesn't go wishy-washy with what something's called, he is just for it or against it.
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Postby kimbatiste » Fri Sep 07, 2007 15:43:16

I got Biden and I'm ok with that match.

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Postby pacino » Fri Sep 07, 2007 15:44:00

^that's my choice, for his knowledge of international affairs
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Postby Disco Stu » Fri Sep 07, 2007 16:21:13

I got Dennis Kucinich. I figured as much.

Then Gravel, Clinton and Richardson.
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Postby TomatoPie » Fri Sep 07, 2007 22:50:52

I got Hermann Göring.

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Postby CFP » Fri Sep 07, 2007 23:00:23

I got Clinton tied with Edwards, Obama and Biden close behind

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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Sep 07, 2007 23:18:45

Romney
T Thompson
F Thompson
Brownback

The guy I'm actually pulling for is 8th on this list.
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Postby pacino » Sat Sep 08, 2007 00:14:12

VoxOrion wrote:Romney
T Thompson
F Thompson
Brownback

The guy I'm actually pulling for is 8th on this list.

Do you mean their list or your list? 8th on the overall list is Obama.
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Postby VoxOrion » Sat Sep 08, 2007 00:33:24

No, 8th on the list of guys they said I should vote for.
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Postby swishnicholson » Sat Sep 08, 2007 00:37:08

dajafi wrote:
Phan Paul wrote:Who do you support for President? Take this quiz and find out! It's not great, but it will do.

http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html

I scored a Bill Richardson. Too bad for me.


Dear god. I got Gravel, my least-favorite among the Dems (well, tied with the Angry Little Kucinich... who was my second best match!) and whom I like less than Huckabee and Paul.

Maybe it's a pro-Gravel site? I notice he's the top match for 38 percent of the respondents, biggest number by far.


I got the same results, dajafi. At least Obama and Edwards were my third and fourth, two candidates who might at least be in the hunt and who I might consider voting for. I haven't worked up any real enthusiasm for anyone at this point.
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Postby pacino » Sat Sep 08, 2007 01:01:55

VoxOrion wrote:No, 8th on the list of guys they said I should vote for.

And who is that? Christ you are a walking Dave Chappelle joke right about now
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Sep 08, 2007 02:32:14

My surprising top 5...

Gravel
Obama
Paul
Cox
Romney

This is also a list of 5 people I wouldn't want to have dinner with (or however that game's played).
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Postby Disco Stu » Sun Sep 16, 2007 04:31:49

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Pla ... GOPvid.wmv

This should be called Whiteiscovering America. And, could they have gotten two politicians with even worst last names?
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Postby Bob Loblaw » Sun Sep 16, 2007 09:59:03

Looks like I'm voting for Barack.

And I'm so clearly a democrat when I have republican financial beliefs.

Delaware Senator Joseph Biden (D)
75.00% match
Connecticut Senator Christopher Dodd (D) - 75.00%
Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich (D) - 75.00%
Illinois Senator Barack Obama (D) - 75.00%
New York Senator Hillary Clinton (D) - 70.00%
Former North Carolina Senator John Edwards (D) - 70.00%
Former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel (D) - 70.00%
New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson (D) - 65.00%
Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson (R) - 65.00%
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) - 55.00%
Businessman John Cox (R) - 50.00%
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney (R) - 50.00%
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee (R) - 45.00%
Texas Representative Ron Paul (R) - 45.00%
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sun Sep 16, 2007 16:58:04

A bit of old news (from March), but seeing the excerpt on CNN this morn reminded me of it. According to Gen. Wesley Clark (ret), the administration had intent on reshaping the ME by invading 7 countries in 5 years

About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"
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Postby pacino » Sun Sep 16, 2007 17:31:31

Don 'War Games' Rummy was so behind that
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Postby dajafi » Sun Sep 16, 2007 17:46:22

Clark endorsed Hillary Clinton yesterday.

He drops by quite a bit in my estimation; she inches up very slightly.

Are there any Hillary Clinton supporters here? If so, could you please tell me why she's running for president, what it is she wants to do, why--aside from upsetting people like some of our old friends from previous message boards so badly they might leave the country--anyone would find her an exciting or attractive candidate?

Because I simply don't get it. I see a celebrity candidate who badly screwed up her two most important moments in public life--health care in '93 and the vote on AUMF in '02--can raise a lot of money, has an army of drones working for her hypnotically repeating "strength and experience, strength and experience, strength and experience," and doesn't scare the financial markets. She buys into all the basic premises of Clinton/Bush America: we can do what we want in the world because we're big 'n' bad, Constitutional or customary limits on executive power should be ignored when possible and knocked aside when necessary, the basic premises of our economy and our politics are just dandy, and history is always someone else's fault.

I would have hoped that after 2000, we would take elections more seriously in this country. Guess not.

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Postby jemagee » Sun Sep 16, 2007 17:50:10

I personally think her continuing to stay with her husband after monica gate was the biggest 'public blunder' of her career.

As far as I can see it,she likes power, wants power, and how much more power can you get than being president?
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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Sep 16, 2007 17:55:12

jemagee wrote:I personally think her continuing to stay with her husband after monica gate was the biggest 'public blunder' of her career.

As far as I can see it,she likes power, wants power, and how much more power can you get than being president?


It's a pretty obvious political calculation.

And she isn't running for President, she's seeking power. She's surely smart enough to know that she could do more about the issues she allegedly cares about as a Senator for 24 years than she can as a weak President for 4 or maybe 8 years.

I've been reading Isaiah Berlin's Freedom and Its Betrayal--Hillary seems much like 21st c. Helvetius to me.
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