Disco Stu wrote:An EXCELLENT case against national healthcare. I couldn't have put it better myself.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015020.php

Stu, thank you for posting this truly skewed piece. Not once did I see even a flicker of a smirk from the two "news men" who performed in the sketch. Masterful work.

HOLY CRAP

this does explain why Canada is always getting attacked :roll:

nice hairdo, buddy

party politics suck. republicans are douches, democrats are pussies. everyone sucks.

dsp wrote:party politics suck. republicans are douches, democrats are pussies. everyone sucks.

He could have gone anywhere, but he chose Temple, folks.

u go 2 temple 2 duncan

dsp wrote:u go 2 temple 2 duncan

Yes, the well-regarded graduate business school in the stuffy suburbs. Not the undergraduate diploma mill in North Crackville

I COULD"VE GONE ANYWHERE BUT I COULD ONLY AFFORD TEMPLE

dsp wrote:democrats are pussies. everyone sucks.

Ah, but will you still feel this way when Hillary Clinton caps her convention speech accepting the nomination by unhinging her jaw and biting the head off a real live Islamofascist?

Woody wrote:

dsp wrote:u go 2 temple 2 duncan

Yes, the well-regarded graduate business school in the stuffy suburbs. Not the undergraduate diploma mill in North Crackville

actually, in the profession that i am conducting my fruitful studies in, a diploma from temple is considered to be quite the good thing. it seems that various editors, and "bosses" around the delaware valley went to temple as well, and enjoy looking out for their own, as opposed to giving the job to some cocky ivy league grad or something.

so, as they say in phoenixville, pass the money.

I didn't know you could fruitfully study being a Loser lol

why was the "l" in "loser" capitalized?

Because it's your Major

MY MAJOR IS MIDDLE SCHOOL COMPUTER APPLICATIONS. IM LEARNING DRUMS AND APPLYING FOR A PHANSTORMING POSITION WITH THE PHILLIES. SHUT UP.

dsp wrote:MY MAJOR IS MIDDLE SCHOOL COMPUTER APPLICATIONS. IM LEARNING DRUMS AND APPLYING FOR A PHANSTORMING POSITION WITH THE PHILLIES. SHUT UP.

It is sad to think that the coolest place you are in your life is on this board...

Now STFU you two dipholes and stop ruining Vox's favorite thread.

Ever wish decisions could be made without corruption in a wise, ethical, cvilized way? Lock no further than the Wisdom Council method. I just stumbled across when thinking about our system of government. though it is good, there are flaws, especially when weasels get elected.

Disco Stu wrote:An EXCELLENT case against national healthcare. I couldn't have put it better myself.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015020.php

This is actually an outstanding piece that has shed light on hidden dangers I have not thought about before. You see, terrorists are really good at getting around buraeucracies. And National Health Care is full of bureaucracy. Not like our insurance and stuff. So the terrorists aren't interested in going somewhere where there isn't a lot of bureaucracy to get around. It's not what they consider fun at all. Plus, they don't fit in in Missouri or Kansas or places like that. And since the only places they'd consider attacking are in the middle of Kansas or perhaps Wyoming, there's not much sense in coming here.

Plus no other doctor would want to be partners with a terrorist doctor. And that's usually one of the first questions doctors ask a guy they are considering getting into business. It goes like this: "So where did you go to Medical School?" Are you a terrorist?"

See after they answer "yes" to that question no doctor will partner with them. So they have to go to a country with national health care like Cuba so they can be terrorists there. Because in Cuba you don't have to have a partner.

The foreign press really is better...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 042072.ece

Note the detail, and how both sides of the argument get a full hearing, with context and history.

Sure would be nice if our media could be bothered to do as much.

link

is that clay aiken?

US Congress returns, ready to battle Bush over CIA leak
case, executive privilege
By LAURIE KELLMAN - Associated Press Writer
© AP

dajafi wrote:I was thinking about this earlier tonight when CNN--that "liberal" network--ran something at the gym about how Clinton had abused the pardon power. They were right. Mark Rich (represented by Scooter Libby, btw) never should have been pardoned. I found it indefensible then, and I do now.

My growing horror at the Clintons comes from my increasing conviction that they nudged open doors, in terms of partisan gamesmanship and abuse of power, that the Bush Crime Syndicate then blew off the hinges.

I was not a fan of those pardons at the time and I think a lot of Democrats were against them as well. HOWEVER, to say that the current abuse has its roots in Clinton's behavior is ridiculous. How many things has the Bush administration done over the last 6 years that have no roots in anything that Clinton did? The Bush administration has done plenty of rule/law breaking/bending to conclude that they are not too concerned with precedent when it comes to making decisions on how to use executive power. Do you seriously think that had Clinton not pardoned Marc Rich that Bush would not have pardoned Libby? I think that is a major stretch of the imagination.

Also, as for the pardons, I am now noticing that there were extensive investigations of these pardons after Clinton left office and, like most of the other wrongdoings that Clinton was tagged with, the investigations went nowhere. He and Hillary were cleared of wrongdoing.

Are we going to have the same level of investigation of Bush's pardon? I somehow doubt it. And I'd like to emphasize that it was the Bush administratio's justice department that did the Clinton investigation. I found it VERY interesting to learn that it was the same James Comey who was acting Atty General when John Ashcroft was in the hospital who lead the Clinton pardon investigation. Here is an AP story about the close of part of his investigation into the pardons:

Federal prosecutors closed their investigation Thursday into whether former President Clinton's grant of clemency to four swindlers was political payback arranged by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

U.S. attorney James B. Comey said that his office had ended its investigation with no charges filed, but he gave no reason.

"We thoroughly investigated it, and it wasn't appropriate to bring charges against anybody in the case," Comey said.

The case involved four men convicted of bilking the government out of tens of millions of dollars. All four lived in New Square, a Hasidic Jewish village outside New York City that voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton during her Senate bid two years ago. President Clinton later shortened their sentences just before he left office.
...
Comey said investigations continue into other pardons Clinton issued just before leaving office, including that of commodities broker Marc Rich, and into allegations that Clinton's brother, Roger, received up to $200,000 for promising to help a Texas man win a pardon.

Hillary Clinton remains of interest to prosecutors looking into the Rich pardon.

I'm still looking for a story about the final story about the investigations but I did see it noted in places like wikipedia that Comey cleared Clinton on the other pardons as well. (Lots of links about the pardons but for some reason there are many fewer links to the results of the investigations. Hmmmm.)

For all those who like to justify Bush's clemency of Libby by comparing it to Clinton's pardons, I'd like to suggest that, to make the comparison more apt, we appoint James Comey to lead another investigation of Bush and give him the same leeway to conduct these investigations as he had in investigating Clinton. That way we would have directly comparable situations.

Perhaps Comey, as a former administration member, will recuse himself and appoint another prosecutor to lead the investigation. Someone like Patrick Fitzgerald, whom he appointed to investigate the Joe/Valarie Wilson leak when he was acting AG.