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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 18, 2007 21:16:29

dajafi wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:Ron Paul?

No man with two first names has ever been elected President of the United States.

It will probably take about five minutes for me to be proven completely wrong about this.


"Franklin Pierce" is both two first names and two last names.

For that matter so is "Abraham Lincoln," though I doubt there were too many people named "Lincoln" before Abe. And both Roosevelts, I guess.

And Bill Clinton is kind of two first names. Thomas Jefferson...

The hell with this--it's not like I have all night here ;)


Jimmy Carter
John Kennedy
John Adams (superfluous S)
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Postby swishnicholson » Fri May 18, 2007 22:12:56

Yeah, yeah..

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison (A GIRL'S name, though.

Ron Paul.. destined to be the next President of the United States.
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Postby dajafi » Thu May 24, 2007 17:57:45

At last--a cure for Republican memory loss!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp-yRI_HJoM

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Postby phdave » Wed May 30, 2007 00:25:04

Valarie Wilson was covert when outed:

An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

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Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."

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Postby TenuredVulture » Wed May 30, 2007 14:15:57

If you were ever tempted to support Hillary's Presidential campaign, this should end it.

Based on this, her campaign should be over.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/spotlight/
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Postby dsp » Wed May 30, 2007 14:18:13

Hilary is a bitch. I despise the GOP, but I'd vote for whoever they shell out of over her. Ron Paul holla.

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Jun 01, 2007 15:28:13

While a couple things in this piece give reason for concern, especially the sentence immediately after this excerpt, the behavior described here is just a little, uh, wierd...

President Bush is more convinced than ever of his righteousness. Friends of his from Texas were shocked recently to find him nearly wild-eyed, thumping himself on the chest three times while he repeated "I am the president!"


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Postby Disco Stu » Fri Jun 01, 2007 18:37:19

dsp wrote:Hilary is a bitch. I despise the GOP, but I'd vote for whoever they shell out of over her. Ron Paul holla.


I am glad to see your keen political insight. Stick to making stupid references and tv please.
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Postby dajafi » Fri Jun 01, 2007 20:41:44

Phan Paul wrote:If you were ever tempted to support Hillary's Presidential campaign, this should end it.

Based on this, her campaign should be over.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/spotlight/


Yeah, but admit that you'd pay dearly to know how many times people have written in "The Bitch is Back"...

Also, I'm convinced that "Beautiful Day" must be the song all the Democrat consultants (yes, I'm using the right-wing pejorative; those asshats deserve it) put on when they hire hookers.

Songs I'd try to get as campaign loudspeaker fodder:

Fishbone: "Fight the Youth"
Sleater-Kinney: "Light Rail Coyote"
Stevie Wonder: "Higher Ground" (n.b.: this one is semi-serious)
Robert Pollard: "Maggie Turns to Flies"

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Postby Disco Stu » Sun Jun 03, 2007 04:32:05

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Are you effin kidding me? This DB was on Hardball and even Matthews, who nobody knows WHAT he believes, was like, WTF is this crap?

What's next, "Help! Mom, a black man moved in next door!"? (written by dsp)
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Postby Disco Stu » Sun Jun 03, 2007 05:01:45

And while I am catching up on stuff, here is more that just makes my blood boil...

Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number.

John McCain: In America today we've got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don't need so many.

O'Reilly: But in this bill, you guys have got to cap it. Because estimation is 12 million, there may be 20 [million]. You don't know, I don't know. We've got to cap it.

McCain: We do, we do. I agree with you


I don't know if the fact that Bill just said that and admitted his obvious racism and hatred towards people not like him, but the fact that McCain agreed is mind boggling as well.
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Postby Disco Stu » Sun Jun 03, 2007 05:53:13

I got more. Didn't see anyone mention this, but a funny back and forth on the view a few days ago.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ey2ueDtrU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enewshounds%2Eus%2F2007%2F05%2F29%2Ffox%5Fproves%5Frosie%5Fodonnell%5Fright%2Ephp[/youtube]

I can't not stare at Hasselback's boobies the entire time. WTF is she wearing?
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Postby drsmooth » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:26:59

Disco Stu wrote:I don't know if the fact that Bill just said that and admitted his obvious racism and hatred towards people not like him, but the fact that McCain agreed is mind boggling as well.


there was a time when one could imagine by agreeing 'we gotta cap it' McCain would have meant discharging a sidearm in O'Reilly's sphincter.

sadly, no more....
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Postby phdave » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:28:12

Disco Stu wrote:What's next, "Help! Mom, a black man moved in next door!"? (written by dsp)


This is next:

As the mother of two young children, Fretwell knows the power of that image. "The bears, the penguins are very much tugging at my kids' hearts now," she said. "I've got a lot of thinking to do about how to get at those warm and fuzzies."

Finding an equally compelling symbol for unfettered capitalism won't be easy.

"I'm thinking we put the polar bear in a business suit," Jackson said. "Maybe he's taking a limo to work on Wall Street."

Fretwell's book — "The Sky's Not Falling! Why It's OK to Chill About Global Warming!" — will be released in September. That will put it on bookshelves at about the same time as the Scholastic book, which is co-written by Laurie David, a liberal activist and the producer of Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth."

Jackson plans an initial run of no more than 10,000 copies, about his financial break-even point. But he's hoping the book will catch the eye of a conservative talk-show host — Sean Hannity, maybe, or Rush Limbaugh — "and we'll sell out in the blink of an eye," he said.

If "The Sky's Not Falling!" takes off, Jackson hopes to launch a line of nonfiction books for children presenting a conservative take on other topics. In the meantime, he's overseeing final edits for "Joey Gonzalez, Great American," a bilingual story about a third-grader whose teacher tells him his last name is a sign that he's less capable.

"It's a little bit harder for minorities to learn," the teacher tells him. "Don't worry, Joey…. There's a special way to help minorities get ahead. It's called affirmative action."

Joey stands up to the teacher, telling her that his ancestors, Spanish explorers, "didn't come all the way over here to be minorities." They didn't need special help, and he doesn't either: "Great Americans don't cheat."

Jackson doesn't have children, but he suspects plenty of parents share his values. One day, he'd like to offer them a whole conservative library so they can put aside the picture books about socialist fish and gay penguins and snuggle up with a bedtime story about the right to bear arms.

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Postby dajafi » Sun Jun 03, 2007 13:16:47

It's pretty stomach-turning to think about how much some on the right hate many on the left. That's one reason why I'm a little worried about this sort of thing.

I don't think we're really close to that right now, for a few reasons. One, I doubt there's one right-leaning person in 100,000 who'd seriously support organized violence--beyond angry-guy-at-the-end-of-the-bar type stuff, I mean--of the type that Ann Coulter and others "joke" about. Two, we're just doing too well, most of us, for that to be viable right now. Three, for violence on a large scale to happen, there needs to be a dehumanization of "the other." While geographical and social separation along political lines is a real and increasing phenomenon, most right-leaners still presumably know some liberals and vice-versa, and think of them at least as people.

(This is one reason why I was formerly interested in the political threads at philliesphans.com; I figured that if I could convince those people we were human beings, at least, it would be harder for most of them to get too deep into their hatred for abstract "libburls".)

But under the wrong circumstances, there could be trouble. Economic collapse, multiple terror attacks, environmental disasters. History and human nature suggest that when you talk so much about violence, and put it up on such a heroic pedestal, actual violence eventually follows.

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Postby pacino » Sun Jun 03, 2007 13:23:47

Joey stands up to the teacher, telling her that his ancestors, Spanish explorers, "didn't come all the way over here to be minorities."

lol this lady knows a lot about Latin America
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Postby TomatoPie » Sun Jun 03, 2007 13:26:23

There's no great culture war nor violence over immigration that is an, err, imminent threat.

Bottom line on illegal immigration, and nearly every Washington pol understands this, though none will voice it:

1) The vast majority of illegal immigrants are people coming here to seek a better life. They want to work, they take the crappiest jobs, and they are good for the USA in ways too numerous to count. To deny the value of immigrants today is to deny the way this nation was built.

2) Even though these immigrants want to work, they of course want to enjoy any free bennies they can get.

3) There is just no freaking way to round up 12+ million illegals. IT would be even more pointless than the war on drugs.

4) We NEED these people for the economy. Bigots on the right and on the left won't concede that, but it's true.

5) These folks are here to stay, so how to deal with them? My heart tells me, and most liberals, that they need a beeline to citizenship. Get 'em legal and paying taxes. My head tells me that, because they like free stuff, they would be overwhelmingly Democratic voters. If we make citizenship easy, the GOP will never win another election and we take one major step to French style socialism.

My solution is to find some middle ground -- if you came here illegally, we define some category to make you a legal resident & taxpayer, but with less than full citizenship rights, especially voting rights. Reserve voting rights for those who gain entry & citizenship thru regular channels.

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Postby pacino » Sun Jun 03, 2007 13:28:28

great post tomatopie(I don't think I've said this before), but somehow I doubt that the 70% of the country that wants 12 million people deported tomorrow would agree with any of it. The majority is unreasonable and unrealistic on this issue. Many see it as 'taking our jobs' or some fraud crime issue or even take the Bill O'Reilly school of thought that filthy liberals want to 'change the complexion' of America.
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Postby dajafi » Sun Jun 03, 2007 13:41:33

TP, you know everybody likes "free stuff." Corporate subsidies, common goods, etc. America's all about free stuff. The questions as always are how it's divvied up, who makes the decisions, and whether the public broadly endorses the answers to #1 and #2.

Otherwise, as you probably remember, I'm in 95 percent agreement with you on immigration. Of the proposal now under consideration, I'm actually supportive of the preferencing of "high-value" immigrants who bring technical skills and advanced knowledge--we aren't making enough of them among the native-born population. But the rest of it is kind of a mess--one analysis I read described it as a way to make all the current problems even worse.

Also, who are the "bigots on the left"? And don't give me Lou Dobbs; bigot yes, lefty no. He's more like a less evidently nutso Ross Perot...

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Postby Disco Stu » Sun Jun 03, 2007 13:57:23

pacino wrote:great post tomatopie(I don't think I've said this before), but somehow I doubt that the 70% of the country that wants 12 million people deported tomorrow would agree with any of it. The majority is unreasonable and unrealistic on this issue. Many see it as 'taking our jobs' or some fraud crime issue or even take the Bill O'Reilly school of thought that filthy liberals want to 'change the complexion' of America.


I am shocked that I agree.
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