He's at a 93 wrc+ and 95 ops+ which without doing any research I would think is perfectly fine for a 4/5 OF. He's had some big pinch hits as well which is important for that role.

We don't have to continually do this dance every post I make about francouer though. I know you have some decades long animosity built up.

ReadingPhilly wrote:He's at a 93 wrc+ and 95 ops+ which without doing any research I would think is perfectly fine for a 4/5 OF. He's had some big pinch hits as well which is important for that role.

We don't have to continually do this dance every post I make about francouer though. I know you have some decades long animosity built up.

Yes, it's decades long animosity, not performance, that bothers me.

We don't have to do this every time. I know you jack off to Francouer posters constantly.

So you're truly upset over his 93 wrc+ as a backup OF on a historically awful team?

Shore wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:Sucks he's actually been decent for the major league team.

By what measure?

He's below replacement level. He makes outs 72% of the time. He's terrible. Seems like a nice guy, but he can't hit.

But when he doesn't make an out, it's electric!!!

I'm upset, as always, at the decision-making by the front office. Of all the options to give money and time to, Francouer is one of the worst.

He's 31. He'd had almost 5000 PA before this year, so we KNOW that he sucks.

His last few stops were so bad, he couldn't get a job last year, so he became a pitcher. And failed.

So we signed him as an OF. "To play in Lehigh Valley".

He hit .227 this spring. With a .227 OBP. The most Francouer spring you could imagine. 0 walks. So, he broke camp with the major league team, and started 17 games in April, 41 in the first half of the season.

He's got negative WAR per both BBREF and FG, and yet, here he is. In July, still here.

If Billy King were a baseball GM, I'd believe we could flip him for something of value, or at least something without negative value. But we've GOT the only Billy King, working for us.

Cesar Hernandez. Odubel Herrera. Cody Asche. Darin Ruf. Domonic Brown. Every single time one of them rode the bench, while Francouer swung at the first pitch, was a wasted opportunity. Every one. I don't like Asche much, and I think Brown is toast, but I'd like to KNOW. Play 3 of them every game. Never start Sizemore or Francouer. Figure out what you have.

But that's now how we do things. So I get pissed.

Monkeyboy wrote:But when he doesn't make an out, it's electric!!!

You've got me there.

Shore wrote:I'm upset, as always, at the decision-making by the front office. Of all the options to give money and time to, Francouer is one of the worst.

He's 31. He'd had almost 5000 PA before this year, so we KNOW that he sucks.

His last few stops were so bad, he couldn't get a job last year, so he became a pitcher. And failed.

So we signed him as an OF. "To play in Lehigh Valley".

He hit .227 this spring. With a .227 OBP. The most Francouer spring you could imagine. 0 walks. So, he broke camp with the major league team, and started 17 games in April, 41 in the first half of the season.

He's got negative WAR per both BBREF and FG, and yet, here he is. In July, still here.

If Billy King were a baseball GM, I'd believe we could flip him for something of value, or at least something without negative value. But we've GOT the only Billy King, working for us.

Cesar Hernandez. Odubel Herrera. Cody Asche. Darin Ruf. Domonic Brown. Every single time one of them rode the bench, while Francouer swung at the first pitch, was a wasted opportunity. Every one. I don't like Asche much, and I think Brown is toast, but I'd like to KNOW. Play 3 of them every game. Never start Sizemore or Francouer. Figure out what you have.

But that's now how we do things. So I get pissed.

This is beautiful.

Leads minor league signings in major league walk off bombs.

His jWar has been really good. Also clutchy points are way good.

Yes. Thank god we have him. Or we might have lost today.

smitty wrote:His jWar has been really good. Also clutchy points are way good.

Good jwar guy. You need those.

.737 OPS, that's higher than Pete Rose's OPS with the Phillies. Now that's value.

He hasnt completely sucked and thats the most infuriating thing about the whole situation.

Winning is fun.

Come on, I know the guy was supposed to the lousy Braves version of Joe DiMaggio and he always has that goofy smile like there is a 93% percent chance he's hiding bodies under his porch but for a team that's had few clutch hits, he's had most of them plus it seems he's keep the tension in the clubhouse from eroding to some Texas Chainsaw level incident... in this filthy year, he's been the man

Titlehungry wrote:Come on, I know the guy was supposed to the lousy Braves version of Joe DiMaggio and he always has that goofy smile like there is a 93% percent chance he's hiding bodies under his porch but for a team that's had few clutch hits, he's had most of them plus it seems he's keep the tension in the clubhouse from eroding to some Texas Chainsaw level incident... in this filthy year, he's been the man

As a guy, he's one of my favorite players--funny, easy to get along with, respectful of the game and the fans.

But it's really hard to watch most of his ABs, swinging at everything. Shore's post nails it.

I hope they can trade him.

He helped get rid of Sandberg, so that's something.

He is both performing well in his role and a waste of space for this team

He's not a guy they need to keep past this season. But he's helped them win some games. And you need that.

He only has 198 plate appearances. That's probably about right. If they can palm him off on another team sometime for a reliefer that would be a win, win, win.

Seeing more of Dom Brown doesn't do much for me.

Pretty sure Dom Brown is my least favorite player in Phillies history. I'm happy he's a Cowboys fan.