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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 08, 2014 07:49:09

Werthless wrote:Benefits vary greatly from company to company....


not that it's very relevant, but while the slate of benefits an employer offers can vary, health benefits - which consume the lion's share of a benefits budget at most employers - don't actually vary all that much (mini-med plans, well, they're kinda not medical benefits really). They're communicated quite differently and costs can vary a lot from place to place, but conventional employer-sponsored coverage? Not so very much (see what I did, etc etc).

At the granular level of specific tests and procedures, it can be surprisingly arduous to learn whether an employer's plan (or plans) covers any specific thing, however diligent an employee or (especially a) job aspirant may be. Staff may not know, readily available documents may not spell it out, insurers may fudge their answers, etc etc. It seems like sound practical advice for people to check, but that's probably seldom how events unfold.

The medical community is apparently of several minds about the effectiveness of PSA screening. PSA makes the American Board of Internal Medicine's Choosing Wisely initiative's list of tests that clinicians are telling fellow clinician and their patients should avoid. in May 2012, some will recall, USPSTF recommended against having the test, too.

% of employer-sponsored health plans that cover prostate screening? Not sure. My guess is many employers still do cover testing, despite the National Business Group on Health informing its members of USPSTF's recommendation 2 years ago. ERISA protects self-funding employers from state mandates, but typically self-funded plans go beyond most states' mandated coverage terms.

Not all states mandate coverage in individual and/or small group policies, but as of 2011, 29 do, including such cesspools of communism as Alaska.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Rococo4 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:04:15

drsmooth wrote:
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mozartpc27 wrote:Bottom line: you don't want to provide health insurance that includes access to birth control? Then don't run a business. No one is putting a gun to your head. If you run a business, you will of necessity have contact with people who did not share your religious beliefs, and your right to yours should not and should never permit you to affect someone else's legal choices about their own lives.


Or don't get a job there. No one is putting a gun to your head to work there.

Additionally, no one is affecting their legal choices about their lives. That is such a bogus argument. They can still go to Target and get what they need, they just have to fork over like 8 bucks. You can disagree with the ruling, that's perfectly fine, but they arent denied anything under the law.


the conversation here has taken the same errant turn found in the broader public shouting about this case.

Despite it being "about" contraception, this case is rather more "about" a legal artifice's magical endowment with religious - spiritual - sentiments. A business, a commercial enterprise, has tender, 'heartfelt' (albeit literally heartless) religious yearnings. It's enough to make a rational person shudder.

I know that's crazy, you know that's crazy, we all know that's crazy - all but a clutch of glassy-eyed supreme court justices.


Yes, it has taken a turn. I was merely saying that no one has been denied any legal rights or whatever it was in the original comment. No one is beign denied anything...we can all argue about the merits of the ruling, who it affects, is it fair, etc. forever, no one is going to change their mind on that.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:11:14

It is denying certain women the ability to pay for certain contraceptives.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 08, 2014 18:53:29

well, I guess this is as good an excuse for a drone strike workout as any:

NYTimes wrote:Iraq Says "Terrorists" Seize Chemical Weapons Site

Iraq has informed the United Nations that the Islamic State extremist group has taken control of a vast former chemical weapons facility northwest of Baghdad where 2,500 chemical rockets filled with the deadly nerve agent sarin or their remnants were stored along with other chemical warfare agents.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Wed Jul 09, 2014 09:41:45

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 10, 2014 08:23:10

looking past the headline on Greenwald's latest article about 'spying'
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 10, 2014 08:28:02

Republicans pick Cleveland for 2016 convention, Dallas upset:

And though the GOP’s business is winning the next presidential contest — and not necessarily putting on a first-rate convention — Dallas organizers admitted they were miffed that the decision appeared to turn on factors largely out of their control.

“We were told early on in the process that it was a business decision,” Jones said. “You look at the reasoning behind the decision to select Cleveland, and it was clearly political.”

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Jul 10, 2014 08:42:05

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby dajafi » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:22:46

pacino wrote:Republicans pick Cleveland for 2016 convention, Dallas upset:

And though the GOP’s business is winning the next presidential contest — and not necessarily putting on a first-rate convention — Dallas organizers admitted they were miffed that the decision appeared to turn on factors largely out of their control.

“We were told early on in the process that it was a business decision,” Jones said. “You look at the reasoning behind the decision to select Cleveland, and it was clearly political.”



I'll admit I was hoping for Dallas. For one thing, it's convenient to have all the world's most evil institutions (Cowboys, RNC) so geographically proximate. But even more, I figured a Dallas Republican convention would have been so ostentatious and obnoxious that it might render even the most charmless Democrat relatively sympathetic and relatable.

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:13:00

down the stretch they come!:
A Colorado judge on Wednesday struck down the state's same-sex marriage  ban, but the decision will not take effect until it works through the appeals process.

This is just the latest in a chain of victories for LGBT advocates after the US Supreme Court struck down the federal ban on same-sex marriages . Most recently, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals and judges in Indiana, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Oregon ruled in favor of same-sex marriage rights.

Utah officials on Wednesday announced they will appeal the same-sex marriage case that's most advanced in the US court system. If the US Supreme Court accepts the appeal, the nation's highest court could decide the issue of same-sex marriage on a national level in 2015.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:38:17

Corbett just signed the smoke and mirrors $29B PA state budget for this year. It projects 3% growth for some unknown reason and also uses 2.5 billion in one-time measures to balance it, such as using rainy day funds and postponing paying Medicaid payments. It doesn't raise taxes, so oh boy.

he did line item veto some spending on the legislators themselves, which totalled $65 million.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:50:07

pacino wrote:Republicans pick Cleveland for 2016 convention, Dallas upset:

And though the GOP’s business is winning the next presidential contest — and not necessarily putting on a first-rate convention — Dallas organizers admitted they were miffed that the decision appeared to turn on factors largely out of their control.

“We were told early on in the process that it was a business decision,” Jones said. “You look at the reasoning behind the decision to select Cleveland, and it was clearly political.”


A political party makes a political decision about where to hold its political convention at which it announces its political candidate for the biggest political office in the world?

Stop the presses!

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Fri Jul 11, 2014 06:41:47

Rick Perry looking for children to nab at the border...seriously
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jul 11, 2014 09:40:06

Good?

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby TomatoPie » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:01:01

Of all the things wrong with American health care, the notion of employer as the provider of health insurance may top the list. Seemed like a good idea to start - a tax-advantaged option to attract and keep good workers. But it led to an absurd sense of entitlement, and fostered the notion that "someone else" ought to pay for my health care. And when the consumer of a service does not pay for the service, he becomes an indiscriminate and inefficient user of the free services. Would you drive a Kia if your employer's benefits package provided you a Lexus?

The premise of ObamaCare - getting health coverage/insurance to as many Americans as possible - is one we should all embrace. The methods, OTOH, were designed to fail. A cynic would suggest that the planners knew this, and see ObamaCare simply as a step on the path to sole provider nanny state government provided health care or health insurance. A different type of cynic would suggest that the designers of ObamaCare were ignorant of market forces.

At the end of the day, how can anyone bless a system in which employers are forced to provide health care insurance for employees? There may be less efficient and less damaging-to-the-economy ways to do so, but I can't think of any. American companies must compete globally, and it's going to drive jobs overseas to nanny states where employers aren't on the hook for health insurance, or third world countries where wages are low and there are no mandated fringe bennies.

There are two possible solutions to ObamaCare. One is to go all in, move left, and just make medicare cover everyone.

The other would be to get government out of health care as presently engaged. If you look at the two elements of American commerce where costs have spiraled above inflation for many decades, it is health care and college costs. Not coincidentally, those are the two areas where the federal government has responded to rising costs by pouring in taxpayer dollars. The influx of new funds has, ironically, had the opposite of its intended effect. It makes providers become grossly inefficient, costs balloon, consumers don't price shop because the cost is borne elsewhere.

Thinking liberals and conservatives can agree that we want every American to have the best health care possible. And that the poorest Americans are going to need a collective solution.

We have good models for that. The vast majority of Americans provide their own housing and the food for their tables. We have a good - if imperfect - set of safety nets to provide housing and food for poor Americans. That should be the model for health care. Get employers OUT of the equation, get government OUT of health care for average Americans, and concentrate taxpayer monies on helping those who most need it.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:09:28

I know you can be pretty even handed on things, but don't you ride pretty hard for the party whose main focus for the last few years has been standing in the way of the kind of solution you're talking about?

(democrats suck too yadda yadda yadda)

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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby TomatoPie » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:48:22

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I know you can be pretty even handed on things, but don't you ride pretty hard for the party whose main focus for the last few years has been standing in the way of the kind of solution you're talking about?

(democrats suck too yadda yadda yadda)


The GOP is wretched in many ways. They are only 7% less awful than Democrats. But I can hope -even as I am ever disappointed - that someday some elected persons will seek to reduce the scope of government -- and I know it's not coming from the Democrats.

And the Libertarians are still barely on the radar.
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Jul 11, 2014 15:13:50

TomatoPie wrote:Of all the things wrong with American health care, the notion of employer as the provider of health insurance may top the list. Seemed like a good idea to start - a tax-advantaged option to attract and keep good workers. But it led to an absurd sense of entitlement, and fostered the notion that "someone else" ought to pay for my health care. And when the consumer of a service does not pay for the service, he becomes an indiscriminate and inefficient user of the free services. Would you drive a Kia if your employer's benefits package provided you a Lexus?



Well, if a Lexus is getting a finger up your ass maybe I'd take the Kia--that is, I don't know that most people over consume health care because their employer pays for it. Few people actually want health care--they only want as much as necessary. How many people skip various "free" tests that are part of their insurance package--are people getting their colonoscopies when they turn fifty they way they drank their first legal beer when they turned 21?

But yes, employers as providers of health insurance is a pretty dumb way to do it. But I'm not sure you're going to get many votes if you run on the slogan "we'll stop your employer from offering health insurance and you can go out on your own and get it!"
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Re: A New Politics Thread? That's Gold Gerry(mandering); Gol

Postby pacino » Fri Jul 11, 2014 18:35:51

20 million people now have been covered under the ACA
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