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by **Grotewold** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 15:00:35

On a very different note...Cubs fan booted for televised blow job pantomime

http://deadspin.com/5944189/some-jackas ... ng-ejected

by **WheelsFellOff** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 16:05:53

Is that mark wahlberg?

by **bury me** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 23:17:59

edinson volquez has walked 100 batters so far. that's great

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 23:56:46

bury me wrote:edinson volquez has walked 100 batters so far. that's great

I guess some pitchers don't recover completely from TJS.....or in his case it could be the lack of roids

by **Bill McNeal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 07:43:54

Grotewold wrote:On a very different note...Cubs fan booted for televised blow job pantomime

http://deadspin.com/5944189/some-jackas ... ng-ejected

Not gay friendly

by **Soren** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 08:07:41

Bill McNeal wrote:
Grotewold wrote:On a very different note...Cubs fan booted for televised blow job pantomime

http://deadspin.com/5944189/some-jackas ... ng-ejected

Not gay friendly

alternatively, VERY gay friendly

by **Soren** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:23:27

by **joe table** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:20:50

This O's team is remarkable. They have now won 15 consecutive extra inning games. 10 of those on the road. 9 different winning pitchers in the 15 games

BUT TEH EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE

by **my cousin mose** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 15:35:38

anyone else catch matts bitchslapping candy van on twitter?

by **my cousin mose** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 15:42:03

For those who want to base MVP on WAR, a reminder that David Wright ranks above Buster Posey. Take that for what it's worth.
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4h DKnobler ‏@DKnobler

@RWKrupp agree, although I think the offensive metrics on fangraphs (wOBA) that have Cabrera just slightly ahead of Trout also flawed.
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4h David Cameron ‏@DCameronFG
@DKnobler Out of curiosity, care to expand on wOBAs flaws?
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3h Matt Swartz ‏@Matt_Swa
@DCameronFG @dknobler have you ever noticed that nobody who understands math comes away thinking sabermetric stats are inferior?
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3h DKnobler ‏@DKnobler
@Matt_Swa @dcameronfg Well, I grew up with two parents with science PhDs, and an uncle who is a math prof. Maybe you understand math better.
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16m Matt Swartz ‏@Matt_Swa
@DKnobler does that mean you have a mathematical argument against wOBA or not?

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:02:26

my cousin mose wrote:
For those who want to base MVP on WAR, a reminder that David Wright ranks above Buster Posey. Take that for what it's worth.
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4h DKnobler ‏@DKnobler

By 0.2 fWAR, and Wright has played in 7 more games. And it's mostly b/c Fangraphs says that Posey is terrible on the basepaths. B-R has them as being 0.1 WAR apart. Oh the humanity!

What a bunch of nonsense.

by **smitty** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:10:50

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
my cousin mose wrote:
For those who want to base MVP on WAR, a reminder that David Wright ranks above Buster Posey. Take that for what it's worth.
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4h DKnobler ‏@DKnobler

By 0.2 fWAR, and Wright has played in 7 more games. And it's mostly b/c Fangraphs says that Posey is terrible on the basepaths. B-R has them as being 0.1 WAR apart. Oh the humanity!

What a bunch of nonsense.

Which WAR do you use? What Defensive stat or stats? what baserunning stat?

I would never base anything on one specific thing. Look at everything. Examine everything. Watch the games. Pick your favorite.

Posey is a great choice right now and part of it is this is a comeback year from a serious injury. He's a catcher for a division winning team that has a crappy offense. He leads the league in OPS+. BP has some interesting catcher defense studies. I'd look at those too.

That's not a bad start to an evaluation.

by **Bill McNeal** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:15:09

my cousin mose wrote:

3h DKnobler ‏@DKnobler
@Matt_Swa @dcameronfg Well, I grew up with two parents with science PhDs, and an uncle who is a math prof. Maybe you understand math better.
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16m Matt Swartz ‏@Matt_Swa
@DKnobler does that mean you have a mathematical argument against wOBA or not?

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:17:37

I wasn't using those numbers to prove anything. Knobler threw out the "WAR has Wright as better than Posey LOL" tweet, which demonstrates any combination of: (1) a complete lack of understanding of the statistic, (2) a desire to completely ignore obvious factors at play, and/or (3) a desire to remove an important degree of context (which is that the players are separated by an insignificant amount).

by **Barry Jive** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:19:16

Braun, McCutchen, Wright and Posey are all within 0.4 WAR of each other. Picking one over the other based on that metric is splitting hairs regardless of how much you like WAR. If you want offense-only rate stats, Braun has the best wRC+ in the NL (McCutchen is 2nd). McCutchen's the best baserunner of those four. But he, Braun and Wright play less demanding positions than Posey. Each of them have their merits. Posey should probably win imo but it's not like it's a slam dunk for anybody

edit: what Richmond said, pretty much

by **my cousin mose** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:21:56

i need you all to know and understand that all matt has to do is sending candy van a link to the candy van thread. and then the real fun begins

by **smitty** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:27:46

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I wasn't using those numbers to prove anything. Knobler threw out the "WAR has Wright as better than Posey LOL" tweet, which demonstrates any combination of: (1) a complete lack of understanding of the statistic, (2) a desire to completely ignore obvious factors at play, and/or (3) a desire to remove an important degree of context (which is that the players are separated by an insignificant amount).

Oh yeah, I know.

I wasn't addressing your post specifically. just throwing out ideas.

I'm pretty sure we are all on the same sheet of music here.

The MVP race this season is pretty awesome as there are a bunch of good candidates.

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:34:09

smitty wrote:Oh yeah, I know.

I wasn't addressing your post specifically. just throwing out ideas.

I'm pretty sure we are all on the same sheet of music here.

The MVP race this season is pretty awesome as there are a bunch of good candidates.

Gotcha.

BTW, I'm really getting sick of the ESPN talking heads and the like who trash saber peeps in the Miggy vs. Trout discussions. Even though RBIs sucks as an individual qualitative stat and average isn't much better, the Triple Crown is still really freaking cool. And despite the stats individually sucking, a player ranking in the top 3 in all of the Triple Crown stats means that he is having an awesome season.

by **Barry Jive** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 17:23:15

god willing, Trout will just overtake Cabrera in AVG and put an end to it all

by **ReadingPhilly** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 17:52:17

Wright's had a damn good year.

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