The OLD Halladay/Smug thread is HERE

Postby Didn't I? » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:14:09

Stark is insane. Someone needs to tell him about the subforum.
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Postby VFB » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:26:37

FTN wrote:commenter on my site today

I hear a rumor that Taylor may be traded today or tomorrow…and we all know who that would be for… we’ll see…


Re: possible trade – from a friend of a friend inside – 75% chance but who really knows with this stuff.


we're doing this!!!

Yes!

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Postby FTN » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:27:49

"as spring training approaches"

Santana was traded on December 13th, lol.

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Postby philliesphhan » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:28:35

But as we reported in Wednesday's more extensive look at this situation, this saga could easily follow a parallel path to the 2007-08 Johan Santana talks, in which the price plummeted precipitously as spring training approached. If not, there's always July.


This is why I think this will happen soon if the Blue Jays have any brains at all. Otherwise, say hello to Kyle Kendrick, Jamie Moyer and Doug Glanville for Roy Halladay.
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Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:31:26

philliesphhan wrote:
But as we reported in Wednesday's more extensive look at this situation, this saga could easily follow a parallel path to the 2007-08 Johan Santana talks, in which the price plummeted precipitously as spring training approached. If not, there's always July.


This is why I think this will happen soon if the Blue Jays have any brains at all. Otherwise, say hello to Kyle Kendrick, Jamie Moyer and Doug Glanville for Roy Halladay.
We can't trade Kendrick at this point.

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Postby Trent Steele » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:34:50

FTN wrote:"as spring training approaches"

Santana was traded on December 13th, lol.


Stark is pretty much the worst of all "inside" reporters. He's awful in every way.
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Postby BigB » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:35:31

If this is going to happen I think it will need to happen by December 12th, reason is if the Phillies can't trade Blanton then they simply non tender him to save the dollars. After the 12th they will be locked into Blanton at that point (they could still deal him).

One other option I don't think anyone is thinking about is signing Blanton long term contract ( say 3yrs 21 mill or so) with a lower base salary this year (5 mill). The Phillies could then not sign another reliever and save enough dollars to make this work.
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Postby Trent Steele » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:37:36

NY POST TIME!!!!

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/yankeesbl ... jrX0ZKHhrN

INDIANAPOLIS -- If the Phillies can deal Joe Blanton and Jamie Moyer, they can meet the Blue Jays’ asking price for Roy Halladay.

The Phillies are willing to part with stud prospects Kyle Drabek and Michael Taylor and could dangle Cole Hamels, but first must find buyers for Blanton and Moyer.

Eligible for arbitration after making $5.48 million last year, Blanton shouldn’t be too difficult to move. Moyer might be impossible. He is 47, makes $6.5 million in 2010, and had a problem in November that required hospitalization stemming from a September groin surgery.

Halladay, who has a full no-trade clause, could demand a contract extension to approve a deal. Or he could play one year for the Phillies and become a free agent. The Phillies are attractive to Halladay because they spend spring training in Clearwater, Fla. which is close to his Oldsmar home.

The Angels’ package of Erick Aybar and Joe Saunders is appealing to the Blue Jays.

The Yankees remain in the picture because the Blue Jays covet catching prospect Jesus Montero, while the Red Sox appear to be fading.

Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston told the Toronto Globe & Mail that if the team does trade the ace right-hander, it should be outside the American League.

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Postby FTN » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:37:54

This was posted yesterday in Stark's piece

What no one knows, though, is whether Halladay is open to signing a pre-deal extension. Even the teams that are interested have heard conflicting reports about that. But one source who has known Halladay almost his entire career sounds skeptical that he'll be signing any extensions.

"I don't see him blindly signing with that team. Let's put it that way," the source said. "Money isn't going to be enough to get it done. For him, the chance of winning is more important than anything."

But geography might be a close second -- because when we asked where Halladay would most want to be, if he could pick any team and money wasn't an object, you might be surprised by the answer.

"If he could only pick one place? Oh, Philadelphia," the source said. "No question. He lives right near their spring training camp. It's an easy trip down to Florida to get home. They've got a great team. And it's not the pressure of New York -- not that pressure bothers him."

And what about the West Coast? Angels? Dodgers?

"I think he'd go there if it's a trade," the source said. "But I don't see him signing there [long term]."

So as this deal approaches, the teams with the shopping carts will need to be wary of the expectation that they'd be doing any more than renting this guy for one season. And just as important, the Blue Jays might have to adjust their asking price for the same reason.

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Postby lowcountry » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:39:57

Move Moyer? That's not even remotely possible, right? I mean we'll pretty much have to build a statue to His Smugness if he pulls that off.

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Postby Trent Steele » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:41:43

lowcountry wrote:Move Moyer? That's not even remotely possible, right? I mean we'll pretty much have to build a statue to His Smugness if he pulls that off.


Well, Rube obviously tried to have Moyer killed by paying off the doctors that performed the groin surgery. That hasn't worked yet, but I have faith that he'll keep trying
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Postby WilliamC » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:42:53

All the little kids in my family want them Zsu Zsu pets. My mom ran into four of them and I guess she is just going to give them as gifts. Based on the looks of them little things I wonder what is wrong with kids and the people shelling out hundreds on ebay or whatever it is.
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Postby lowcountry » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:42:55

Amaro vs. Moyer's contract: The irresistable force against the immovable object.

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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:43:52

Trent Steele wrote:
lowcountry wrote:Move Moyer? That's not even remotely possible, right? I mean we'll pretty much have to build a statue to His Smugness if he pulls that off.


Well, Rube obviously tried to have Moyer killed by paying off the doctors that performed the groin surgery. That hasn't worked yet, but I have faith that he'll keep trying


well he still has that knee surgery coming up

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Postby etched Chaos » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:44:32

Trent Steele wrote:NY POST TIME!!!!

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/yankeesbl ... jrX0ZKHhrN

INDIANAPOLIS -- If the Phillies can deal Joe Blanton and Jamie Moyer, they can meet the Blue Jays’ asking price for Roy Halladay.

The Phillies are willing to part with stud prospects Kyle Drabek and Michael Taylor and could dangle Cole Hamels, but first must find buyers for Blanton and Moyer.

Eligible for arbitration after making $5.48 million last year, Blanton shouldn’t be too difficult to move. Moyer might be impossible. He is 47, makes $6.5 million in 2010, and had a problem in November that required hospitalization stemming from a September groin surgery.

Halladay, who has a full no-trade clause, could demand a contract extension to approve a deal. Or he could play one year for the Phillies and become a free agent. The Phillies are attractive to Halladay because they spend spring training in Clearwater, Fla. which is close to his Oldsmar home.

The Angels’ package of Erick Aybar and Joe Saunders is appealing to the Blue Jays.

The Yankees remain in the picture because the Blue Jays covet catching prospect Jesus Montero, while the Red Sox appear to be fading.

Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston told the Toronto Globe & Mail that if the team does trade the ace right-hander, it should be outside the American League.



We weren't willing to move him last July, no chance we're willing now.
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Postby VFB » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:45:45

VFB wrote:No arbitration for Chan Ho. Could it be Rube is saving up payroll for Roy?

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Postby FTN » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:47:12

WilliamC wrote:All the little kids in my family want them Zsu Zsu pets. My mom ran into four of them and I guess she is just going to give them as gifts. Based on the looks of them little things I wonder what is wrong with kids and the people shelling out hundreds on ebay or whatever it is.


:shock: :shock:

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Postby BigB » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:47:33

I call BS on the New York Article. Lets see we need to deal both Blanton and Moyer before we can then trade Happ, Drabek, Taylor or Brown for Halladay. No way no how do the Phillies do this. That is 4 potential starters for this rotation for one. Not going to happen. Who is the 5th starter in this senario and that is assuming Kendrick would be the 4th.
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Postby FTN » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:48:13

We really need to get rid of Blanton, Moyer and Victorino. And our problems are solved.

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Postby kimbatiste » Thu Dec 10, 2009 20:52:47

More updates plz

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