phillychuck wrote:A good owner calls Arbuckle into the office and offers him a promotion, too, and more responsibility. Doesn't just tell him that he lost out. Keep the guy who built the team.

He was assistant GM. When he didn't become GM, I don't think some other kind of titular reassignment was going to prevent his leaving.

phillychuck wrote:A good owner calls Arbuckle into the office and offers him a promotion, too, and more responsibility. Doesn't just tell him that he lost out. Keep the guy who built the team.

See, to me that seems like the traditional Phillies way and I'm sort of glad not to see it happen. I think in the past they haven't wanted to offend people in the "family" and have promoted them or moved them to spots farther away from their capabilities just because it seemed like the "right" thing to do. I suppose they could have created a position for Arbuckle and figured out a way to give him more money but I don't think that would necessarily have been the right thing for the club.

Then again maybe they did just that and he decided to walk anyway.

I see what you guys are saying, but I still think you don't let scouting talent out of the organization if you can help it. If they offered him a significant raise and new title and he turned it down, OK, but this guy built the World Champion Phils. Amaro made photocopies of their contracts for Wade and Gillick. jk, of course, but Amaro's an arrogant unknown. Doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings.

our only hope is he has paul holmgren syndrome. holmgren was thought to be another croney, but when he took over the flyers he showed that he was pretty much the complete opposite of bob clarke and knew how to run that team. i don't think that will be the case here, but you never know.

ReadingPhilly wrote:our only hope is he has paul holmgren syndrome. holmgren was thought to be another croney, but when he took over the flyers he showed that he was pretty much the complete opposite of bob clarke and knew how to run that team. i don't think that will be the case here, but you never know.

True, but Holmgren had nowhere to go but up...

Does Chuck LaMar figure into this somehow? Does he take over the Arbuckle role, considering that he essentially built the Rays?

crap

should be some real tension filled moments when amaro does the saturday radio call in shows now

Rococo4 wrote:crap

should be some real tension filled moments when amaro does the saturday radio call in shows now

He will be to cocky to do them on a regular basis. He just did them to fill in for Gillick because it looked good at the time and helped him get his promotion. Of course I have no proof of this.

karn wrote:As for Amaro, he is what he is. An annoying, smug prick that we just don't know much about in terms of individual capability. His mettle won't be tested too much this offseason, but we'll surely learn some things in how he handles Burrell and several of the important arb case players.

Maybe before he was married, Burrell scored more wimmins than Amaro and he still holds the resentment. That's my theory if he doesn't resign Burrell.

We won the World Series, and that's terrific beyond measure.

Doesn't change the fact that this is one fucked up franchise. Ruben Effing Amaro? And you lose Arbuckle in the deal? Amaro's young enough to suck at this for a decade and a half.

like i said before, if amaro was a significant part of making the decisions that lead to this year's success, i can't really fault ownership for putting him in charge, and i can't assume he's going to be completely horrible out of hand.

Well, I said that I would avoid getting really angry with this team for three years if they won, and I'm going to try and live by that.

So the best I can come up with is that the standards are so much higher now that if he's as bad a fuck up as I think he'll be, he's gone in two years.

How is Amaro at napping?

Napping seemed to play a big role in Gillick's success. Perhaps prevented him from overdoing things.

Some people succeed by not failing too frequently. Given the phils current circumstances, it's the ideal time for such a fellow to have a decisionmaking role.

Making Burrell baseball's highest paid platoon player for anything more than a victory lap would be a mistake, but seems like one Amaro would be prone to; his process of reaching defensible terms for victorino & madson should also provide good forward indicators, as several others have suggested.

dajafi wrote:... he's gone in two years.

Because if the Phillies are known for anything, it's not letting losers keep their job for years once they prove they're a failure...

Things you wonder how Amaro will handle....


1) Resign Pat?
2) The Free Agent market this offseason with lots of nice pitching available
3) Trades in in the offseason?
4) Will he give the new guys next year like Marson and Carrasco a legitimate shot to make the roster?

Isn't Wolever like Arbuckle's good friend and right hand man? Its one thing to lose Arbuckle, it would be much more difficult if we lose Wolever and the scouts and have to start from ground zero on that. I am presuming/hoping that Wolever stays and that Amaro learned from Gillick's 2008 draft.

Squire wrote:Isn't Wolever like Arbuckle's good friend and right hand man? Its one thing to lose Arbuckle, it would be much more difficult if we lose Wolever and the scouts and have to start from ground zero on that. I am presuming/hoping that Wolever stays and that Amaro learned from Gillick's 2008 draft.

i would think that if that scenario were to happen, it would mean that as vindictive, petty, and bullheaded as WE view amaro, the people who work with him, and under him, view him the exact same way.

that would speak very poorly to our future.

steagles wrote:

Squire wrote:Isn't Wolever like Arbuckle's good friend and right hand man? Its one thing to lose Arbuckle, it would be much more difficult if we lose Wolever and the scouts and have to start from ground zero on that. I am presuming/hoping that Wolever stays and that Amaro learned from Gillick's 2008 draft.

i would think that if that scenario were to happen, it would mean that as vindictive, petty, and bullheaded as WE view amaro, the people who work with him, and under him, view him the exact same way.

that would speak very poorly to our future.

That's a spot on read. Let's hope it doesn't play out that way. I think Wolever stays.

Squire wrote:Isn't Wolever like Arbuckle's good friend and right hand man? Its one thing to lose Arbuckle, it would be much more difficult if we lose Wolever and the scouts and have to start from ground zero on that. I am presuming/hoping that Wolever stays and that Amaro learned from Gillick's 2008 draft.

Not as sure about how good Wolever is. Didn't Gillick have Arby get more involved in this last draft because of some dissatisfaction with Wolever. it seemed to improve the draft quality.

steagles wrote:i think this should guarantee that no top tier free agent pitcher will willingly sign with the phillies.

nor will any pitcher with a NTC waive it to be acquired by the phillies.

I don't follow.