I am certain it ends tonight despite the debacle that last night was - but a quick question for those of you with more understanding of this.

CC Sabathia was pitching every 72 hours for a month. Couple of questions.

1 - Are they really going to play game 6 Wed and game 7 on Thursday now that game 5 ends on Tuesday?

2 - If not and they bump game 7 to Friday. Why couldn't Cole Hamels start a game 7 if it was played on Friday? Wouldn't that be almost 4 days rest?

BIGPHILLY wrote:I am certain it ends tonight despite the debacle that last night was - but a quick question for those of you with more understanding of this.

CC Sabathia was pitching every 72 hours for a month. Couple of questions.

1 - Are they really going to play game 6 Wed and game 7 on Thursday now that game 5 ends on Tuesday?

2 - If not and they bump game 7 to Friday. Why couldn't Cole Hamels start a game 7 if it was played on Friday? Wouldn't that be almost 4 days rest?

Yes, if by "almost four days" you mean 3 days and 21 hours.

Huh? If he pitched Friday, it would be 3 days rest (Tues, Wed, Thurs).

Won't matter - it ends tonight (or tomorrow weather permitting)

BIGPHILLY wrote:Why couldn't Cole Hamels start a game 7 if it was played on Friday?

We don't know that he can't or won't.

It would be almost 96 hours of rest.

Does the fact that Hamels only threw 75 pitches last night (almost all fastballs and changes) also weigh in favor of having him available on Friday?

SQUIRE

it's 3 days rest. They talk about pitchers throwing every 5th day. That would mean normal rest has 4 days in between starts. We aren't counting the hours. It's 3 days rest.

Also, does pitching in cold rain make a difference in terms of recovery time?

TenuredVulture wrote:Also, does pitching in cold rain make a difference in terms of recovery time?

I would say yes, but I'm not immortal like Cole, so who knows. He also took a 94 mph fastball in the knuckles...

I really think two things:

1) There is only the smallest likelihood that they will be able to play this game to its conclusion tonight, which means that
2) In all probability, you're looking at Wednesday night before the Series resumes. That last night's game was started at all, is, in my mind, a disgrace. The probability that last night's outcome would eventuate was unacceptably high, but they went ahead anyway, and ruined Philadelphia's night. Therefore, Bud Selig and MLB OWE the Phillies and Philadelphia at least this much: to wait to play again until Wednesday, and then, if the Phillies end up losing, to keep the travel day, so that for a possible game seven Cole Hamels can pitch on full rest.

It's not going to play out that way, but it is the very, very LEAST MLB can do, IMHO.

mozartpc27 wrote:I really think two things:

1) There is only the smallest likelihood that they will be able to play this game to its conclusion tonight, which means that
2) In all probability, you're looking at Wednesday night before the Series resumes. That last night's game was started at all, is, in my mind, a disgrace. The probability that last night's outcome would eventuate was unacceptably high, but they went ahead anyway, and ruined Philadelphia's night. Therefore, Bud Selig and MLB OWE the Phillies and Philadelphia at least this much: to wait to play again until Wednesday, and then, if the Phillies end up losing, to keep the travel day, so that for a possible game seven Cole Hamels can pitch on full rest.

It's not going to play out that way, but it is the very, very LEAST MLB can do, IMHO.

Keep the travel day? Don't hold your breath.

ek wrote:the travel day is already gone

I know it is, but my question is --- WHY? What is the bleeding rush? Here is Stark's article from today. He asks exactly what I was asking yesterday: Why are they so married to the idea that the Series must end on such-and-such a day? There is nothing but off days from now until February. Why would you try to forc a game into terrible conditions --- when there is only one possible outdoor game left anyway, mind you --- rather than just WAIT? And why would you panic and take away the travel day this early? Is it just because of FOX's precious TV schedule? FUCK THEM, FUCK THEM, FUCK THEM and FUCK JOE BUCK AND TIME MCCARVER. FUCK THEM. Do you thikn the NFL would have the slightest bit of regard for tonight's episoide of House or whatever? MAN UP SELIG.

Baseball gets rained out sometimes. FOX executives cannot pretend not to know this.

Exactly, what's the rush? LET'S PLAY IN THE SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is the travel day gone? TV. TV and money.

MLB wants no part of a game on Friday, when next to nobody's watching.
MLB wants even less of a part of a game on Saturday, when absolutely nobody's watching.

So that means it's either Tue-Wed-Thu or Wed-Thu-Fri.

The only way this thing carries into Saturday is guys need snorkels to play.

Woody wrote:Exactly, what's the rush? LET'S PLAY IN THE SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is ridiculous. It doesn't snow or rain every day from November 1st through February 15th. There are plenty of cold but dry days. There will be one tomorrow. Then they go someplace where it doesn't matter.

I'd have some sympathy for this if the Phillies were playing the Detroit Tigers or New York Yankees or Cleveland Indians or some team like that, where there were three more games that needed to be played under increasingly adverse weather conditions. But the fact is, they only need ONE more day of decent weather.

I am dumbfounded that people continue to defend the decision to play yesterday.

mozartpc27 wrote:I am dumbfounded that people continue to defend the decision to play yesterday.

Huh? I think about 99% of the people are saying playing yesterday was an abomination, for about a thousand reasons.

wait til selig announces that game 5 will be continued prior to game 6* at the trop wednesday

weather.com makes it look like Wednesday night wouldn't be that bad, from a precipitation standpoint.

lowcountry wrote:Why is the travel day gone? TV. TV and money.

MLB wants no part of a game on Friday, when next to nobody's watching.
MLB wants even less of a part of a game on Saturday, when absolutely nobody's watching.

So that means it's either Tue-Wed-Thu or Wed-Thu-Fri.

The only way this thing carries into Saturday is guys need snorkels to play.

Aren't the ads already sold at this point? And isn't the nature of the television contract such that MLB already has its flat-rate fee from FOX? So what do they care if FOX has to take a bath on some of the advertising money anyway? I know there is the next contract to think about, but doesn't MLB do worse when it has situations like this or the All-Star game where they continue to prove what a piss-poor operation they run? I mean, this was a total embarrassment last night. Total embarrassment.

lowcountry wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:I am dumbfounded that people continue to defend the decision to play yesterday.

Huh? I think about 99% of the people are saying playing yesterday was an abomination, for about a thousand reasons.

Sorry, I guess I was responding to Woody's comment there. He suggested, through sarcasm (as is his want), that waiting will only make it worse. But that is patently ridiculous.