Rowand and Victorino have a good shot to have an average ops this year of about .800. Yeah, it would be nice to have good to great players at every position, but having average to slightly above average at a couple of positions can work for a playoff team also, especially one with excellent starting pitching.

Notice the presence of facial hair, always a plus. And he was a Mariner while Gillick was there. It's a no brainer.

I did a writeup here

As for Costanzo, he may be in Philly in 2008, but it will probably be as a utility infielder. At this point, he doesn't look like a starting 3B at the ML level.

FTN wrote:Notice the presence of facial hair, always a plus.

I prefer the facial hair on this Dobbs:



but he's a clubhouse cancer....

FTN wrote:

Notice the presence of facial hair, always a plus. And he was a Mariner while Gillick was there. It's a no brainer.

I did a writeup here

As for Costanzo, he may be in Philly in 2008, but it will probably be as a utility infielder. At this point, he doesn't look like a starting 3B at the ML level.

Nice write-up FTN...thanks

andrewgenn wrote:Rowand and Victorino have a good shot to have an average ops this year of about .800. Yeah, it would be nice to have good to great players at every position, but having average to slightly above average at a couple of positions can work for a playoff team also, especially one with excellent starting pitching.

And you base this off of what? Maybe if you said or and not and.

If you are referring to the 'and' in 'Rowand and Victorino will average .800 ops', I stick with it. I don't know why fans would have a difficult time projecting Vic to being an above average major league hitter:

at age 23, he had a .959 ops in over a half a season in AA

at age 24, he had a .911 ops and was league MVP in AAA

at age 25 he was a decent rookie who was hitting well in the last third of the season with an .808 ops for that time period

All I am projecting in saying they have an average ops of .800 is that Vic falls somewhere around .820 and Rowand somewhere around .780.

Three of Rowand's six seasons have been at or above that level.

dajafi wrote:

usctrojans31 wrote:I'd rather have Lou Dobbs.

So you don't think the Phils should sign Latin Americans?

...thank you! I'll be here all week!

No. They don't have anyone who can speak Latin.

andrewgenn wrote:If you are referring to the 'and' in 'Rowand and Victorino will average .800 ops', I stick with it. I don't know why fans would have a difficult time projecting Vic to being an above average major league hitter:

at age 23, he had a .959 ops in over a half a season in AA

at age 24, he had a .911 ops and was league MVP in AAA

at age 25 he was a decent rookie who was hitting well in the last third of the season with an .808 ops for that time period

All I am projecting in saying they have an average ops of .800 is that Vic falls somewhere around .820 and Rowand somewhere around .780.

Three of Rowand's six seasons have been at or above that level.

I agree. And you are even being unfair to your own argument. Vic's bad stretch last season came for the most part when he had a badly damaged wrist and could hardly swing the bat. Since Rowand was out, he gutted it out. When his wrist got better he became an offensive force again. I think he is the real article.

usctrojans31 wrote:I'd rather have Lou Dobbs.

I don't Lou is the best pinch hitter in baseball, unless I am wrong, let me look it up.