I like Meadow's slow slide into acceptance/defense of her father's criminal behavior. By the end, she's just as culpable and just as horrible as Carmela.

kopphanatic wrote:I like Meadow's slow slide into acceptance/defense of her father's criminal behavior. By the end, she's just as culpable and just as horrible as Carmela.

but a lot better lookin

Carmela had a body on her, for someone who pumped out two kids and had to deal with T's crap all the time.

I just finished watching the whole series for the first time. I wasn't sure I liked it until Tony's John Gotti story. I don't know if I've ever laughed so hard at a tv show.

Janice sucks, but in such a realistic way that I can't really hate her. AJ, especially once he grows a line beard, is a total piece of crap. Meadow is hot enough, and realistic enough, for me to respect the character. These people remind me a lot of the people I knew up in the Poconos.

One thing that struck me more as the show moved on was the way the dialogue was written. I watch tv with the closed captioning on, and it seemed like they wrote in more shitty grammar and misused words as the series went on. I caught a few "irregardless" and "for all intensive purposes" stuff early on, but I think they used that sort of device more as the series went on.

Really a great series, and I'm glad I took the time. I read the epic writeup about the ending (well, maybe a third of it), and I agree tony's dead. That reference to the Tony and Chrissy car accident, where he mentions that the baby would've been killed, that seems to allude to the fact that Meadow would've been in the line of fire in the diner if she hadn't been late.

Anyway, I'm sure there's a lot to overthink, but it was a hell of a show. Shame I got to it so late.

this show is so hilarious

"Merry Christmas..."
"...good morning"

Philly the Kid wrote:

kopphanatic wrote:I like Meadow's slow slide into acceptance/defense of her father's criminal behavior. By the end, she's just as culpable and just as horrible as Carmela.

but a lot better lookin

Cool girl. Drinks with the best at Senators games.

I like the way Columbia was going after Tony's money. I always figured Meadow would end up a mafia lawyer.

Just re watched season 1, the Boca episode is 1 of the best

fucking David Chasespoke up:

We were in a tiny coffee shop, when, in the middle of a low-key chat about a writing problem I was having, I popped the question. Chase startled me by turning toward me and saying with sudden, explosive anger, “Why are we talking about this?” I answered, “I’m just curious.” And then, for whatever reason, he told me. [...]

He shook his head “no.” And he said simply, “No he isn’t.” That was all.

Dave Itzkoff ‏@ditzkoff
David Chase’s publicist says Vox “misconstrued” his remarks. “Whether Tony Soprano is alive or dead is not the point"

Vox dot com, explaining the news

I still maintain my thesis that Chase didn't even *have* an ending, that he just wanted people to grapple with their own polar opinions about tony.

I'm sure that was it, and it wasn't Chase being caught off guard and flippantly answering a question he's tired of

why would you ask him that question in 2014

why do journalists still as bruce about born to run

Barry Jive wrote:why would you ask him that question in 2014

it's the controversial finale of his seminal work and you have a one-on-one interview with him, that's why

I kinda thought the "that's not the point" thing was already established.

Barry Jive wrote:I kinda thought the "that's not the point" thing was already established.

Really? I never got that impression anywhere. The last I remember of this was Chase saying something like "all the clues are there". I thought I was the only one pitching the "that's not the point" angle. Was that thread on here or on PP??? I want to re-read my blurb.

Spoilers guys!

“A journalist for Vox misconstrued what David Chase said in their interview. To simply quote David as saying, “Tony Soprano is not dead,” is inaccurate. There is a much larger context for that statement and as such, it is not true. As David Chase has said numerous times on the record, “Whether Tony Soprano is alive or dead is not the point.” To continue to search for this answer is fruitless. The final scene of The Sopranos raises a spiritual question that has no right or wrong answer.”

Hey I was right! (Except I somehow missed all the "numerous times" he's said it!)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... prano.html

The Masters of Sopranos references way too much intentional death imagery for me to think Tony lived, even though no one's made a good case for who and why someone would take him out in that situation.

I suspect Chase was partly irritated that the scene was deconstructed so thoroughly (and accurately) by some random guy on the internet and partly annoyed that people fixated on result rather than process and "feeling"