Soren wrote:Someone tell me the odds of any of this mattering and resulting in meaningful repercussions for 45.

I'm feeling bullish, 60%.

I think if Mueller only comes back with obstruction of justice recommendations then the (in theory) democratic house impeaches but he survives a trial in the senate cause no way are 15-18 Republican senators voting guilty.

If we get a smoking gun here is proof that the Trump campaign asked for or knowingly received help from Russia and Trump knew about it...then I think he gets impeached and found guilty. But if it's even 'yeah they knew about podesta emails and wikileaks but not that they were Russian affiliated' then he'll probably be fine.

Obviously I'm punditing the hell out of this but I have zero faith in this process unless there are not only actual crimes, but crimes that republicans would stick their necks out over. Seems unlikely.

Nothing is going to happen Soren. No one cares in the larger scheme of things. Only edge populations care, and then probably only a little. The whole center of the country below Chicago to the southern border either a) does not care, b) believes it is all a set up, c) wants whatever he will trade for power, or d) blames Obama.

A narrative shift I heard in a snippit, not even sure from when, if pushing a narrative that if Ivankna is brought into this, that the country will run to her defense. Since I am not sure that Ivankna has ever been part of this, that is a really weird statement. Clearly Rudy thinks that there is something to be gained by name dropping her, and hinting that she could be 'unfairly' caught up in things.

Soren wrote:Someone tell me the odds of any of this mattering and resulting in meaningful repercussions for 45.

I think you already know the answer.

The Dude wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Warszawa wrote:I can’t believe that a presidents immunity from criminal prosecution is rational. Can trump murder or rape people at will?

This is not how it works ffs. If he committed a crime there would be an investigation, like there is now, and he would be impeached.

he won't be impeached if there isn't the political will for it. Do you think the GOP-led congress will impeach him? And some of this stuff was settled in the courts during Clinton's scandal, but other things haven't been decided and I don't really trust this court to side with justice.

that's not what was being asked. a president is not able to just commit crimes and not be held accountable. that is what i was responding to

There's a school of thought, and I don't think it's been tested in the courts, that the president is pretty much above the law. I'd like to think the congress would do their job, but then I've been saying that for the last year with no response from them except obstruction. The GOP members of these committees know Trump has broken the law, yet they continue to cover for him.

Monkeyboy wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Warszawa wrote:I can’t believe that a presidents immunity from criminal prosecution is rational. Can trump murder or rape people at will?

This is not how it works ffs. If he committed a crime there would be an investigation, like there is now, and he would be impeached.

he won't be impeached if there isn't the political will for it. Do you think the GOP-led congress will impeach him? And some of this stuff was settled in the courts during Clinton's scandal, but other things haven't been decided and I don't really trust this court to side with justice.

that's not what was being asked. a president is not able to just commit crimes and not be held accountable. that is what i was responding to

There's a school of thought, and I don't think it's been tested in the courts, that the president is pretty much above the law. I'd like to think the congress would do their job, but then I've been saying that for the last year with no response from them except obstruction. The GOP members of these committees know Trump has broken the law, yet they continue to cover for him.

Frankly, its that last bit that is the most discouraging thing for me. Everybody knows that our president is a lying, cheating POS. To steal a phase, he is what we thought he was. The thing that bothers me even more is that more GOPers do not care enough about our country to do something about it. On the contrary, many of them bend over backward to defend Adolf's actions.

we need the physical proof, though. you can't just impeach on "knowing" something.

You shouldnt br surprised at this point though. If you maintain allegiance to the Republican party, you support trump. And that means party before country. Populism in the republican party isn't new, trump is,the apotheosis or reaganism.

Damage control on FEC is obstruction and the damage control of obstruction is Admiral Ackbar.

Conway's husband trolling hard...

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/9 ... 8762096640

momadance wrote:Conway's husband trolling hard...

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/9 ... 8762096640

But he's still a Republican so this is just showing his allegiance to Trump.

When did Rudy say that Team Meuller needs to prove that they are objective? WTF. The Rudy show would seem to just be a distraction by being extra crazy.

Liz Bowman, the EPA’s top spokesperson, is leaving. Its been some week at EPA, yet Pruitt is there forevers.

Banana time at the national prayer day. Trump said that more people are saying 'one nation under God' more often these day, just like people are saying 'Merry Christmas' again. Way up there, not like before.

Monkeyboy wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Warszawa wrote:I can’t believe that a presidents immunity from criminal prosecution is rational. Can trump murder or rape people at will?

This is not how it works ffs. If he committed a crime there would be an investigation, like there is now, and he would be impeached.

he won't be impeached if there isn't the political will for it. Do you think the GOP-led congress will impeach him? And some of this stuff was settled in the courts during Clinton's scandal, but other things haven't been decided and I don't really trust this court to side with justice.

that's not what was being asked. a president is not able to just commit crimes and not be held accountable. that is what i was responding to

There's a school of thought, and I don't think it's been tested in the courts, that the president is pretty much above the law. I'd like to think the congress would do their job, but then I've been saying that for the last year with no response from them except obstruction. The GOP members of these committees know Trump has broken the law, yet they continue to cover for him.

They got Gorsuch, though, so fuck the country.

Is Rudy making the rounds? Every time I get near a TV there is another Rudy soundbite. Could it only be 2 Fox discussions? I did not see the screen, but I hear Rudy's voice emanating from a TV in a deli saying something like 'Trump is heartbroken with Sessions, he gave Jeff a fair shot and Jeff did the wrong thing... to redeem himself, he and Rosenstien, they need to shut down the investigation, now.' Maybe that is a bookend to the other comment I caught earlier. Its all just so nuts.

He survived 9/11 and is a hero. Just ask him, he’ll tell you. You may not even have to ask him, he’ll tell you anyway.

Rubio with a "who, me?" about the Tax Cut comment. Blamed it on an intern... M. Lewinski chimes in w/'blame the intern'. Its is a shame that little Marco was held to account for his moment of truth telling, then he backed down. That be a Charlie Foxtrot right there people.

@MonicaLewinsky

blaming the intern is so 1990's

"Men are disposable. But a fine woman like Ivanka? Come on." - Rudy Giuliani.

Could not hold back the laugh.

thephan wrote:Rubio with a "who, me?" about the Tax Cut comment. Blamed it on an intern... M. Lewinski chimes in w/'blame the intern'. Its is a shame that little Marco was held to account for his moment of truth telling, then he backed down. That be a Charlie Foxtrot right there people.

“It’s disappointing to see Marco Rubio echo some of the false rhetoric of tax reform opponents, and we hope he clarifies his remarks,” said Brent Gardner, chief government affairs officer for Americans for Prosperity, the conservative political advocacy group tied to the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch.

All they had to do was ask.