Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free politics

Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:30:00

the sickness of power would make me think that this will never happen. those opening strains of a rick roll comes to mind. not only is there a feeling that they can do anything, a majority of the GOP is very OK with things. i'm just saying don't ruin your holidays.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:17:01

JUburton wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Wasn't Lauer one of the most egregious MSM go easy on Trump TV people? Basically colluding with the Trump campaign by ineffectually covering all the serious problems with Trump, while going on and on about HRC's e-mails?
yes and i (and others I'm sure) exploded about it in here.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-in-t ... hief-forum



The russians knew about the olympic stuff and blackmailed him.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:17:08

Report: Most Net Neutrality Comments Submitted to FCC Were Fraudulent

Washington, DC -- With the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) set to vote on changes to net neutrality regulations, a new report finds that a majority of the nearly 22 million comments on the issue submitted to the agency's website were done so fraudulently. In its analysis of publically available comments, DC-based Pew Research Center found that 57% utilized duplicate, temporary or disposable email addresses and many individual names appeared thousands of times. What's more, only 6% of all comments were unique, while 94% were submitted multiple times, in some cases hundreds of thousands of times. The seven most-submitted comments comprised 38% of all submissions during the four-month comment period and, often, thousands of comments were submitted at precisely the same moment. "When the Center analyzed the comments submitted during the 2014 net neutrality debate, about 450,000 comments were submitted to the FCC," said Aaron Smith, associate director of research at Pew. "This year's comment volume dwarfed that and our analysis highlights the relative ease with which online commenting systems allow groups and individuals to mount large-scale campaigns for public policies. Such efforts were difficult to orchestrate in the pre-internet era and even three years ago were not taking place at the scale it has this time."
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:20:31

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:He's pretty seriously mentally ill or senile or both. There's no question.

He's getting darker and darker, too. I used to think fears of him launching a nuke were kind of ridiculous. I still think it's highly unlikely that it would actually happen because of safeguards in place, but I no longer would scoff at the idea that he might try.


what safeguards? he essentially creates and order an the launch crews set them off


Is it really that simple? I would have figured at least one or two other adults had to concur.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:23:31

no, it's just him

he's president. there is no check. congress abdicated that responsibility long ago, same as they did for waging war.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:24:32

so they are really ramping things up, or is it my imagination? The attacks on the press, the naked racism. It's more overt and obvious than ever. He's going full on dictator. At least now we know what Putin told him to do. Double down.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:24:48

Talks that the Senators pushing for triggers in the tax bill want there to be cuts to discretionary spending, and not a roll back of taxes. So basically sequester part 2 with no military cuts.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:26:30

he's been racist his entire public life. he and his father wouldn't rent to black people. he still refuses to believe the Central Park 5 are innocent. He thinks Obama wasn't born here.

He's our worst person. And he's in charge and can hit that button because we want tax cuts for corporations and super rich people and judges on courts.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:26:58

slugsrbad wrote:Talks that the Senators pushing for triggers in the tax bill want there to be cuts to discretionary spending, and not a roll back of taxes. So basically sequester part 2 with no military cuts.

the things that help people would get cut
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:30:11

Reports that they WH is in talks to share nuclear tech with Saudi Arabia which almost guarantees an arms race in the Middle East. I would assume Putin/Russia would give Iran all it would need to weaponize nukes if Truml goes through with this.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:40:21

Jason Kessler has filed an application for another rally to protest against "government civil rights abuse" and to memorialize "the sacrifices made by political dissidents" at the Charlottesville rally.

On the one-year anniversary of the Charlottesville rally/debacle.

In Charlottesville.






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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Nov 29, 2017 15:54:44

pacino wrote:no, it's just him

he's president. there is no check. congress abdicated that responsibility long ago, same as they did for waging war.



well that's scary as hell no matter who is in power. But especially with a mentally ill or senile person with anger and impulse issues.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:09:03

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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby PhillieMooDo » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:10:01

Late to respond, but the partisan hackery from a few pages back was fucking amazing!
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby Squire » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:21:34

thephan wrote:Eagerly awaiting the fact check on these statements What Republicans say when asked why their tax bill benefits the rich most of all.


Look, I'm a Republican and most of those are non-answers or nonsense answers. I do think that the chart noted by the spokesperson for Isaakson is a fair defense of the equality of the rate cuts themselves in isolation. However the itemized deduction (e.g. the SALT cap) losses all pound the middle class and don't affect the poor or the very rich (who was phased out anyway). The estate tax repeal is just a bald-faced giveaway to the richest of the rich and is completely unjustifiable.

You really can't cut federal "income" taxes and NOT have it benefit disproportionately the upper class. Romney was right when he noted that 47% pay no federal income tax. The only way to affect a true lower/middle class tax cut is through payroll taxes but the politics behind that are even more difficult because that tax is directly tied to Social Security (notwithstanding the obvious notion that all dollars are fungible).

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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:23:08

Dragging forward this post from earlier today
Monkeyboy wrote:I used to think fears of him launching a nuke were kind of ridiculous. I still think it's highly unlikely that it would actually happen because of safeguards in place, but I no longer would scoff at the idea that he might try.

Um

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/17/16656856/trump-congress-nuclear-weapons-war

Trump can't start a nuclear war by himself, but there's not much stopping him
An expert on why it's easier for Trump to launch nuclear weapons than it should be.

Let me start with a simple but important question: Can the president unilaterally launch a nuclear strike?

Peter Feaver
No. But the wording of your question is very precise. Can he launch a strike “unilaterally”? No. He requires other people to carry out an order, so he can't just lean on a button and automatically the missiles fly. But he has the legal and political authority on his own to give an order that would cause other people to take steps which would result in a nuclear strike. That’s the system we currently have.


Sean Illing
That is somewhat encouraging, but you’re basically saying that even in the second scenario, the only thing that would stop a nuclear strike would be a few soldiers deciding to disobey an order from the president.

Peter Feaver
Well, they're trained to disobey illegal orders, so context matters. If they've woken up the president because they believe they're under attack, there's a presumption of legality if the president orders a strike. But if the president wakes them up in the middle of the night and orders a nuclear strike with no context, no crisis, no alert, then there's not a presumption that that order is legal. They would raise serious questions.

Sean Illing
Still, what you’re saying is that if a reckless or illegal strike was ordered, we’re relying upon the real-time judgment of a few generals to stop it?

Peter Feaver
Basically. The piece you're missing is that in the process of doing this, it would raise lots of alarms throughout the system, so the chief of staff of the White House, the national security adviser, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — they would all ask, “What’s happening? We just got this crazy order. What’s going on?”

If they were given reliable information that we’re really under attack, that something is really happening, then you would expect the order to be carried out. But if they’re saying, “We don’t know what’s going on. No one's alerted us," they would likely halt the process and get some clarity.

And remember that time constraints would not be severe under the second scenario, where the president wakes up the military. When the military wakes up the president, then time constraints are very short and there’s not a lot of time to check and double-check. But there's plenty of time in the other scenario, so that means implicitly a lot of people would have to go along with it.


So remember, he may not be able to launch nukes unilaterally, but the best case scenario would be an unprecedented constitutional crisis that strikes at the very heart of the military's deference to civilian/political oversight. Sure, it would save the world, but our nation would be forever weakened by documented proof that the military can and will disobey a President who has not been legally removed or impaired.

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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:36:45

Squire wrote:
thephan wrote:Eagerly awaiting the fact check on these statements What Republicans say when asked why their tax bill benefits the rich most of all.


Look, I'm a Republican and most of those are non-answers or nonsense answers. I do think that the chart noted by the spokesperson for Isaakson is a fair defense of the equality of the rate cuts themselves in isolation. However the itemized deduction (e.g. the SALT cap) losses all pound the middle class and don't affect the poor or the very rich (who was phased out anyway). The estate tax repeal is just a bald-faced giveaway to the richest of the rich and is completely unjustifiable.

You really can't cut federal "income" taxes and NOT have it benefit disproportionately the upper class. Romney was right when he noted that 47% pay no federal income tax. The only way to affect a true lower/middle class tax cut is through payroll taxes but the politics behind that are even more difficult because that tax is directly tied to Social Security (notwithstanding the obvious notion that all dollars are fungible).


Well, I am an avowed independent who is on record for not minding paying my taxes. I view it as social contract. Same as I pay for all those people who had jobs but could not be bothered to save for a rainy day, like retirement. I cannot fault them because at some point it was trained into them. It was trained into me to expect to pay for them, and expect nothing in the bag when my train arrives at the station. Tangent aside, I would theoretically benefit from the tax plan, except that the SALT stuff likely levels me. There is not enough to understand at the moment, but as a basic premise I pay a lot of taxes on the state and especially the local level due to housing costs. Just backing the truck up to on AMT probably does not level the playing field there. I guess I could look at it as if the SALT exclusion crushes the housing market, then my taxes will go down (and I will be upside down).

I'd love a fair tax, or at leas a simplified tax, but what is in the air is going to create systematic problems long term.

What is needed is a realistic way to attack the deficit (last happened with Clinton if I recall), streamline the way businesses are taxed without giving them a free path, and assure that citizens are paying their fair share for the common good.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:39:48

thephan wrote:
Report: Most Net Neutrality Comments Submitted to FCC Were Fraudulent

Washington, DC -- With the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) set to vote on changes to net neutrality regulations, a new report finds that a majority of the nearly 22 million comments on the issue submitted to the agency's website were done so fraudulently. In its analysis of publically available comments, DC-based Pew Research Center found that 57% utilized duplicate, temporary or disposable email addresses and many individual names appeared thousands of times. What's more, only 6% of all comments were unique, while 94% were submitted multiple times, in some cases hundreds of thousands of times. The seven most-submitted comments comprised 38% of all submissions during the four-month comment period and, often, thousands of comments were submitted at precisely the same moment. "When the Center analyzed the comments submitted during the 2014 net neutrality debate, about 450,000 comments were submitted to the FCC," said Aaron Smith, associate director of research at Pew. "This year's comment volume dwarfed that and our analysis highlights the relative ease with which online commenting systems allow groups and individuals to mount large-scale campaigns for public policies. Such efforts were difficult to orchestrate in the pre-internet era and even three years ago were not taking place at the scale it has this time."


Perhaps it would be best if public comments had to be in writing, printed on dead trees, and delivered via the US Postal service.

Did they specify whether the robo comments were overwhelmingly pro or anti net neutrality? Because it seems that are companies that would like to preserve net neutrality and certainly have the technical capacity to do this kind of thing. I mean, I'm not saying facebook or google would, but...
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby thephan » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:46:52

Trump speaking: Lending is back, won a law suite, Hillary would have robbed you... He is the common man! The rich don't like him. His people are the ones he worked with on the construction site! Pipe fitters, carpenters, etc. Man the votes! Nothing like it. HE WON! More people then ever voted for him! Early voting in Tennessee was full of Trump fans!

Some time he will get to taxes. Needed to bail.
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Re: Pocahontas, pedos, polls, prosecutors, and pun-free poli

Postby Grotewold » Wed Nov 29, 2017 16:47:00

Richard Rubin (WSJ) wrote:Sam Brownback is here in the Senate (outside GOP lunch) saying the Kansas tax plan worked, created jobs. "What we did actually worked."

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