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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby Youseff » Tue Feb 21, 2017 19:45:29

the Trump base thinking Sweden is terrifying is annoying, of course, and also funny and mostly instructive. this is a highly suggestible group that is terrified of the outside world, and in many cases places they'll never go.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby Youseff » Tue Feb 21, 2017 19:48:59

they're tweeting footage of some cars on fire from 2013 and saying it happened last night.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Feb 21, 2017 20:14:39

Youseff wrote:they're tweeting footage of some cars on fire from 2013 and saying it happened last night.


I saw a tweet from WaPo saying there was a riot last night, I guess it was #fakenews
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 21, 2017 20:20:18

SWEDEN IS ON FIIIIIIIIIRE
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby Youseff » Tue Feb 21, 2017 20:30:18

slugsrbad wrote:
Youseff wrote:they're tweeting footage of some cars on fire from 2013 and saying it happened last night.


I saw a tweet from WaPo saying there was a riot last night, I guess it was #fakenews


something or other apparently did happen, but the footage was from 2013 of a completely separate event. it's just exhausting.

that prison planet nerd that all of these dorks worship offered to pay for any journalist to travel to Sweden to see how bad it is, with the implication that they'd be scared. that journalists who have been imbedded in war zones would be terrified to travel to a suburban city with moderately troublesome street crime or something. then when everyone mocked him he posted a bunch of innocuous photos of London street kids and a picture of 3 cop cars for some reason. then when he got mocked again and posted footage of people setting off fireworks on NYE for some reason. he could admit he's wrong, and maybe calm his impressionable followers down, but humility is not what we do anymore. so all these people that would never travel to Sweden in the first place continue to think it's a good example to validate their racist paranoias. it's so exhausting.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Feb 21, 2017 20:42:12

I've been to Sweden. It beats the shit out of Moscow.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby Woody » Tue Feb 21, 2017 20:52:27

I have a coworker in Sweden. Talked to him yesterday. He was in a cafe hanging out and working. While we were on the phone an immigrant killed him
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby Woody » Tue Feb 21, 2017 20:52:52

J/k
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby The Dude » Tue Feb 21, 2017 20:53:54

My ex was killed by an immigrant with a blangenstorfer
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 21, 2017 21:12:08

I just did a political survey! It was very exciting. I am strongly in favor of the PennEast pipeline, which I also told the person I had never heard of it at the start. Only went smwt unfav on Trump and Christie. Feel OK about Christie but probably could've gone strong unfav on his Orangeness. Going through one of those things with limited knowledge of the issue at hand is a good reminder of how much nonsense and guessing and loosely held opinions are being measured.

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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 21, 2017 21:16:24

Also for my fellow survey researchers if you're designing a survey and calling cell phones you should ask the person at the beginning if you're currently registered to vote in the state you're trying to survey. I answered every question truthfully, but absolutely should not have been included in the survey since I don't live or vote in NJ anymore.

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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Feb 21, 2017 21:31:51

Not to worry. It was a fake survey anyway.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Feb 21, 2017 21:35:37

jerseyhoya wrote:Also for my fellow survey researchers if you're designing a survey and calling cell phones you should ask the person at the beginning if you're currently registered to vote in the state you're trying to survey. I answered every question truthfully, but absolutely should not have been included in the survey since I don't live or vote in NJ anymore.



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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 21, 2017 21:58:16

CalvinBall wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Also for my fellow survey researchers if you're designing a survey and calling cell phones you should ask the person at the beginning if you're currently registered to vote in the state you're trying to survey. I answered every question truthfully, but absolutely should not have been included in the survey since I don't live or vote in NJ anymore.

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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby azrider » Tue Feb 21, 2017 22:07:41

jerseyhoya wrote:Also for my fellow survey researchers if you're designing a survey and calling cell phones you should ask the person at the beginning if you're currently registered to vote in the state you're trying to survey. I answered every question truthfully, but absolutely should not have been included in the survey since I don't live or vote in NJ anymore.


I worked a couple of summers doing research polls for abc news/Washington post for what was at the time chilton research, part time. There were on average 65 questions with about 40 being demographics and took an average of 25 minutes to complete. Was this survey similar?

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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Feb 21, 2017 22:16:20

azrider wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Also for my fellow survey researchers if you're designing a survey and calling cell phones you should ask the person at the beginning if you're currently registered to vote in the state you're trying to survey. I answered every question truthfully, but absolutely should not have been included in the survey since I don't live or vote in NJ anymore.


I worked a couple of summers doing research polls for abc news/Washington post for what was at the time chiton research, part time. There were on average 65 questions with about 40 being demographics and took an average of 25 minutes to complete. Was this survey similar?

Much shorter. Was a 7 minute phone call. Handful of demos, images of NJ politicians, whether you favor a pipeline, some short messaging about pipelines, whether you favor a pipeline, handful of demos. fin.

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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 21, 2017 22:36:08

jerseyhoya wrote:Also for my fellow survey researchers if you're designing a survey and calling cell phones you should ask the person at the beginning if you're currently registered to vote in the state you're trying to survey. I answered every question truthfully, but absolutely should not have been included in the survey since I don't live or vote in NJ anymore.



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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Feb 22, 2017 04:37:03

jerseyhoya wrote:I just did a political survey! It was very exciting. I am strongly in favor of the PennEast pipeline, which I also told the person I had never heard of it at the start. Only went smwt unfav on Trump and Christie. Feel OK about Christie but probably could've gone strong unfav on his Orangeness. Going through one of those things with limited knowledge of the issue at hand is a good reminder of how much nonsense and guessing and loosely held opinions are being measured.



Feel ok about a criminal. You have low standards.

And what does his orange have to do to get a strong unfav, round up immigrants and put them to death?

You're John McCain: Full of rhetoric, but you just don't back it up when you have a chance to vote on something.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 22, 2017 08:33:15

President Obama was not the 'deporter in chief'
they changed the definition of what was considered a deportation compared to previous administrations and changed focus to deporting at the border and away from interior deportations.


just an FYI as we see DHS issue memos to expand who is going to get deported:

President Trump has directed his administration to enforce the nation’s immigration laws more aggressively, unleashing the full force of the federal government to find, arrest and deport those in the country illegally, regardless of whether they have committed serious crimes.

Documents released on Tuesday by the Department of Homeland Security revealed the broad scope of the president’s ambitions: to publicize crimes by undocumented immigrants; strip such immigrants of privacy protections; enlist local police officers as enforcers; erect new detention facilities; discourage asylum seekers; and, ultimately, speed up deportations.

Mr. Trump has not yet said where he will get the billions of dollars needed to pay for thousands of new border control agents, a network of detention facilities to detain unauthorized immigrants and a wall along the entire southern border with Mexico.

And courts in Illinois, Oregon, Pennsylvania and several other states have rejected the power given to local and state law enforcement officers to hold immigrants for up to 48 hours beyond their scheduled release from detention at the request of federal authorities under a program known as Secure Communities, which Mr. Trump is reviving.

Under the new directives, the agency would no longer provide privacy protections to people who are not American citizens or green card holders. A policy established in the last days of the Bush administration in January 2009 provided some legal protection for information collected by the Department of Homeland Security on nonresidents.
The new policies also target unauthorized immigrants who smuggle their children into the country, as happened with Central American children seeking to reunite with parents living in the United States. Under the new directives, such parents could face deportation or prosecution for smuggling or human trafficking.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 22, 2017 09:13:12

You guys are missing the job growth of good paying middle class work (where the taxes will be clawed back from) in creating these positions by a job creator, not a job killer like the last president, and this is what America is all about.

Note: I wanted a Spicer vibe, but think I got Palin.
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