You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Thread

Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 14:43:25

Bucky wrote:WaPo is the good one right??


I would say that WaPo is the legitimate one. You can certainly see that the Post leans left (sometimes the reporting is to the point that it reads like it might fall over), but the reporting is generally solid. The Times is more like propaganda written by amateurs. The 5 pages of sports and advertising are harmless, and occasionally relevant but that juice is not worth the squeeze (of being seen carrying a W. Times). You would never confuse the Times with the quality of say WSJ or the pink pages.

A third option is the free Examiner. I get that on my occasional rides on the metro. It is a curiosity, but it is fairly central so that they can get takers and sell advertisements.

USA Today is a local, but it is USA-T.

Politico and the Hill are generally available most places if you want that focus.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby td11 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 14:47:28

fascinating and scary read, imo: https://antidotezine.com/2017/01/22/trump-knows-you/

Psychometrics, sometimes also known as psychography, is a scientific attempt to “measure” the personality of a person. The so-called Ocean Method has become the standard approach. Two psychologists were able to demonstrate in the 1980s that the character profile of a person can be measured and expressed in five dimensions, the Big Five: Openness (how open are you to new experiences?), Conscientiousness (how much of a perfectionist are you?), Extroversion (how sociable are you?), Agreeableness (how considerate and cooperative are you?), and Neuroticism (how sensitive/vulnerable are you?). With these five dimensions (O.C.E.A.N.), you can determine fairly precisely what kind of person you are dealing with—her needs and fears as well as how she will generally behave. For a long time, however, the problem was data collection, because to produce such a character profile meant asking subjects to fill out a complicated survey asking quite personal questions. Then came the internet. And Facebook. And Kosinski.

...

Kosinski and his team continued, tirelessly refining their models. In 2012, Kosinski demonstrated that from a mere 68 Facebook likes, a lot about a user could be reliably predicted: skin color (95% certainty), sexual orientation (88% certainty), Democrat or Republican (85%). But there’s more: level of intellect; religious affiliation; alcohol-, cigarette-, and drug use could all be calculated. Even whether or not your parents stayed together until you were 21 could be teased out of the data.

How good a model is, however, depends on how well it can predict the way a test subject will answer certain further questions. Kosinski charged ahead. Soon, with a mere ten “likes” as input his model could appraise a person’s character better than an average coworker. With seventy, it could “know” a subject better than a friend; with 150 likes, better than their parents. With 300 likes, Kosinski’s machine could predict a subject’s behavior better than their partner. With even more likes it could exceed what a person thinks they know about themselves.



i could honestly excerpt like 5 other sections. terrifying to think how much influence these unscrupulous, amoral, sell-to-the-highest-bidder data scientists could really have. Le Pen has them working for her in France...
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby td11 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 14:49:51

Earlier in the presentation, using the example of the Second Amendment, Nix showed two variations on how certain psychographic profiles are spoken to differently. “For a highly Neurotic and Conscientious audience, you’re going to need a message that is both rational and fear-based: the threat of a burglary and the ‘insurance policy’ of a gun is very persuasive.” A picture on the left side of the screen shows a gloved hand breaking a window and reaching for the inside door handle. On the right side, there is a picture of a man and child silhouetted against a sunset in tall grass, both with rifles, obviously duck hunting: “for a Closed and Agreeable audience, people who care about traditions and habits and family and community, talking about these values is going to be much more effective in communicating your message.”

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Trump’s conspicuous contradictions and his oft-criticized habit of staking out multiple positions on a single issue result in a gigantic number of resulting messaging options that creates a huge advantage for a firm like Cambridge Analytica: for every voter, a different message. Mathematician Cathy O’Neil had already observed in August that “Trump is like a machine learning algorithm” that adjusts to public reactions. On the day of the third presidential debate between Trump and Clinton, Trump’s team blasted out 175,000 distinct variations on his arguments, mostly via Facebook. The messages varied mostly in their microscopic details, in order to communicate optimally with their recipients: different titles, colors, subtitles, with different images or videos. The granularity of this message tailoring digs all the way down to tiny target groups, Nix explained to Das Magazin. “We can target specific towns or apartment buildings. Even individual people.”

In the Miami neighborhood of Little Haiti, Cambridge Analytica regaled residents with messages about the failures of the Clinton Foundation after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, in order to dissuade them from turning out for Clinton. This was one of the goals: to get potential but wavering Clinton voters—skeptical leftists, African-Americans, young women—to stay home. To “suppress” their votes, as one Trump campaign staffer bluntly put it. In these so-called dark posts (paid Facebook ads which appear in the timelines only of users with a particular suitable personality profile), African-Americans, for example, are shown the nineties-era video of Hillary Clinton referring to black youth as “super predators.”
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Jan 25, 2017 14:52:26

big data is pretty amazing

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Jan 25, 2017 14:53:27

kinda makes you want a regulated net neutrality

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 14:56:03

jamiethekiller wrote:kinda makes you want a regulated net neutrality

should i tell him, folks?
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Bucky » Wed Jan 25, 2017 14:57:18

td11 wrote:fascinating and scary read, imo: https://antidotezine.com/2017/01/22/trump-knows-you/

Psychometrics, sometimes also known as psychography, is a scientific attempt to “measure” the personality of a person. The so-called Ocean Method has become the standard approach. Two psychologists were able to demonstrate in the 1980s that the character profile of a person can be measured and expressed in five dimensions, the Big Five: Openness (how open are you to new experiences?), Conscientiousness (how much of a perfectionist are you?), Extroversion (how sociable are you?), Agreeableness (how considerate and cooperative are you?), and Neuroticism (how sensitive/vulnerable are you?). With these five dimensions (O.C.E.A.N.), you can determine fairly precisely what kind of person you are dealing with—her needs and fears as well as how she will generally behave. For a long time, however, the problem was data collection, because to produce such a character profile meant asking subjects to fill out a complicated survey asking quite personal questions. Then came the internet. And Facebook. And Kosinski.

...

Kosinski and his team continued, tirelessly refining their models. In 2012, Kosinski demonstrated that from a mere 68 Facebook likes, a lot about a user could be reliably predicted: skin color (95% certainty), sexual orientation (88% certainty), Democrat or Republican (85%). But there’s more: level of intellect; religious affiliation; alcohol-, cigarette-, and drug use could all be calculated. Even whether or not your parents stayed together until you were 21 could be teased out of the data.

How good a model is, however, depends on how well it can predict the way a test subject will answer certain further questions. Kosinski charged ahead. Soon, with a mere ten “likes” as input his model could appraise a person’s character better than an average coworker. With seventy, it could “know” a subject better than a friend; with 150 likes, better than their parents. With 300 likes, Kosinski’s machine could predict a subject’s behavior better than their partner. With even more likes it could exceed what a person thinks they know about themselves.



i could honestly excerpt like 5 other sections. terrifying to think how much influence these unscrupulous, amoral, sell-to-the-highest-bidder data scientists could really have. Le Pen has them working for her in France...



300 likes? That's about an hours' worth for me!!

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:00:38

pacino wrote:
and his old, unsecured Android phone

lock him up

They make it sound like he's using a Galaxy Nexus or something.

Besides, his encrypted secret POTUS phone wouldn't be used for Twitter. Obama had a separate phone specifically for tweeting... of course that one probably didn't even have a SIM card.

The problem with Trump using his old phone is that a ton of people have the number. But you're kidding yourself if you think that a billionaire's phone wasn't already secured. Trump is insanely paranoid about that stuff and famously doesn't use email for that very reason.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:01:16

pacino wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:kinda makes you want a regulated net neutrality

should i tell him, folks?


don't worry, i get it

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:03:19

this clip of trump explaining mexico paying is lol.

mexico says they will not pay

they have to say that. mexico will pay us back in some sort of form. maybe a complicated form. but they will pay us back.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:04:07

There's no regulation that can help here. Google, Amazon, Facebook, all get your data because you've voluntarily shared it with them. Heck, if you have a piece of your body removed, and someone figures out some way to profit from your genetic material, that can happen too. I just wonder how much the pathologist got for the colon polyp I had removed last year.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:08:41

article's scary but my sneaking suspicion is it was written by Kosinski & co b/c hey, that kind of thing is good for the marketing effort....

people are really perverse actors, predictable en masse, not as much individually
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Woody » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:11:17

There's a reason silicon valley executives own prepper homes in New Zealand.
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:12:18

TenuredVulture wrote:There's no regulation that can help here. Google, Amazon, Facebook, all get your data because you've voluntarily shared it with them. Heck, if you have a piece of your body removed, and someone figures out some way to profit from your genetic material, that can happen too. I just wonder how much the pathologist got for the colon polyp I had removed last year.


Companies could be forced not to target ads based on a certain set of criteria. Its not like this doesn't' already happen.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:13:54

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
The problem with Trump using his old phone is that a ton of people have the number. But you're kidding yourself if you think that a billionaire's phone wasn't already secured. Trump is insanely paranoid about that stuff and famously doesn't use email for that very reason.



I am going to say NO. There is a report out there which has a White Hat hacker telling Trump & Co that their Twitter settings are essentially open. I think he has a hand-me-down Motorola Cliq.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:19:25

would he lie?
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:24:02

looks like the border wall speech thing he is abot to give is in front of a bunch of military people.

would love to get LGs thoughts on that in general-- seems as if he is just using them for a prop.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:34:27

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:The problem with Trump using his old phone is that a ton of people have the number. But you're kidding yourself if you think that a billionaire's phone wasn't already secured. Trump is insanely paranoid about that stuff and famously doesn't use email for that very reason.


oh, but you can be sure he's been hacked, comrade - believe me
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby pacino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:45:17

Conway, Kushner, Spicer and bannon still have active email accounts on the RNC email system.

if they're using them let's hope they don't lose any emails like GWB did.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby thephan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 15:48:31

Well, DoD twitter account is still active.
https://twitter.com/deptofdefense/status/824240417885429760

Are they trolling Donald?
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