Halladay V - Final Destination

by **lowcountry** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:40:38

Dear J.P.,

Get bent. Hoser.

Love,
Rube

by **karn** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:40:55

That's a no deal for me

by **karn** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:41:45

Probably looking at Carrasco tonight then as a possible deal replacement for Happ (or hopefully Brown)

by **FTN** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:41:52

karn how do you not have a twitter

by **FTN** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:42:23

Heyman says 80-90% hes traded, Phillies still prohibitive favorite

by **Woody** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:42:42

So should I arc a load or not?!

by **karn** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:42:42

It's a mystery even to me

by **lowcountry** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:43:11

I suppose we could also give JP the benefit of the doubt. You've *got* to start out asking for more than you'd ultimately be willing to take.

by **CrashburnAlley** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:43:48

ek wrote:i don't think we can give up drabek, happ and brown. I just don't think we can do that. am I wrong?

No.

by **karn** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:44:29

I don't even have to think for a full second to reject that proposal
It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous

by **Trent Steele** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:44:46

philsfan1979 wrote:From Andy Martino's PhillieZone blog:

Well, here it is, the Blue Jays asking price for Roy Halladay: Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi has spoken to the Phillies within the past 24 hours and negotiations are underway in earnest, baseball sources tell the Inquirer. They want Kyle Drabek, J.A. Happ and Dominic Brown.

That's what they've asked for. It remains to be seen how the Phils will respond to that.

This will get done. That's not an outrageous opening demand at all. In fact, it suggests to me that Toronto knows they cant get Drabek and Brown. I stand by what I said this morning:

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Trent Steele wrote:

I find it impossible to believe that Happ and Drabek are considered anywhere close to equivalent, but Heyman's article brings up an interesting question. I assume it would be Happ/Brown or Drabek/Taylor with extra needed for the first deal, so would you rather do...

Happ, Brown, Carrasco, d'Arnaud

or

Drabek, Taylor, Donald, Gose

by **Titlehungry** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:44:58

Can you even imagine if Halladay gets hurt tonight? I mean we can turn our attention to Lee but people in the Jays organ-i-zation would have to be on suicide watch!

by **Brantt** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:45:24

ek wrote:i don't think we can give up drabek, happ and brown. I just don't think we can do that. am I wrong?

That's the Blue Jays staring point. Amaro should be easily able to get that changed.

by **lowcountry** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:45:41

Counter with what, then?

Happ, Brown, Carrasco and Marson or Donald?

by **Trent Steele** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:46:02

CrashburnAlley wrote:
ek wrote:i don't think we can give up drabek, happ and brown. I just don't think we can do that. am I wrong?

No.

Stop. No one is making that trade. Its an opening demand, that's all. Jesus Christ, I'm glad you guys arent my freaking lawyer.

by **Titlehungry** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:47:19

Per Rotoworld...

Roy Halladay-S-Blue Jays Jul. 24 - 6:43 pm et

Sources have informed the Philadelphia Inquirer that the Blue Jays want want Kyle Drabek, J.A. Happ and Dominic Brown for ace Roy Halladay.

That'd be a whole lot of talent heading out the door. The Phillies have hinted that Drabek might be untouchable and Happ is currently a member of the starting rotation. "I prefer the horse," manager Charlie Manuel said Friday, alluding to the idea that one star pitcher is more valuable than a cluster of prospects. Well, now we get to see how much he really meant it.

by **Trent Steele** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:47:22

lowcountry wrote:Counter with what, then?

Happ, Brown, Carrasco and Marson or Donald?

I tell them to fuck off on Brown.

They can have Drabek, Happ, Donald, Marson.

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:47:36

I'm sticking with what I said this morning, too:

My current guess is that Riccardi wants guys who are ml-ready (or close) as possible, with the exception of OF, where's he got a logjam now. So, I'm thinking his ask is/wil be:

Happ, Carrasco, Brown, Donald, Marson

The trade off (in his mind) for not getting Drabek is to get Brown, plus two pitchers (one who's pitching successfully in the majors now, the other is at AAA).

We get to keep Drabek, Taylor and Knapp. I'm thinking just about everybody here would be on board with that trade, even though it's a lot. If my guess is right, there may be a lot riding on Carrasco's start tonight.

by **FTN** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:47:51

ek wrote:carrasco is going to be in this deal unless he implodes tonight, I think

i could see him being a polly pissy pants because his name is in trade rumors again, giving up 7 ER in 3 IP, and then crying in the dugout.

total space cadet

by **CrashburnAlley** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 18:48:05

Trent Steele wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:
ek wrote:i don't think we can give up drabek, happ and brown. I just don't think we can do that. am I wrong?

No.

Stop. No one is making that trade. Its an opening demand, that's all. Jesus Christ, I'm glad you guys arent my freaking lawyer.

I think you're reading too much into that. I don't think anyone actually thinks Amaro is going to give up Drabek, Happ, and Brown for Halladay.

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