Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 20:38:37

I think Crawford would be at SS and Hernandez would be at 3B in your scenario.

Need a starter, really two, and then we're in business.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 20:38:42

mozartpc27 wrote:I don't know why everyone isn't head-over-heels in love with this deal. Another guy who - *gasp* - will take a fucking pitch after years of watching Freddie (god love him) and Maikel (the devil take him). Maybe he and Rhys Hoskins' approach will rub off on, say, Nick Williams or Aaron Altherr. Three years at $20M is reasonable considering how much payroll room the Phils have and besides everything he adds lefty balance against RH pitching to Hoskins and can be used to break up late inning relief. Lineup that looks like this:

Odubel
Hernandez (SS)
Altherr
Hoskins
Santana
Kingery
Crawford (3B)
Knapp / Alfaro

has me pretty excited actually. Great deal IMHO.

I think it's because everyone got excited for Machado. But this is a fine deal. I'm not a fan of moving Hoskins to left but it is what it is. Santana will play first, not Joseph.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 20:40:56

Monkeyboy wrote:I think Crawford would be at SS and Hernandez would be at 3B in your scenario.

Need a starter, really two, and then we're in business.

cesar can't play on the left side of the infield i don't think.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 20:43:07

Doll Is Mine wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:I don't know why everyone isn't head-over-heels in love with this deal. Another guy who - *gasp* - will take a fucking pitch after years of watching Freddie (god love him) and Maikel (the devil take him). Maybe he and Rhys Hoskins' approach will rub off on, say, Nick Williams or Aaron Altherr. Three years at $20M is reasonable considering how much payroll room the Phils have and besides everything he adds lefty balance against RH pitching to Hoskins and can be used to break up late inning relief. Lineup that looks like this:

Odubel
Hernandez (SS)
Altherr
Hoskins
Santana
Kingery
Crawford (3B)
Knapp / Alfaro

has me pretty excited actually. Great deal IMHO.

Not sure how this means no Machado. Half the reason they traded Galvis for that pitcher, I figure, is to offer him to the Orioles as part of the deal.

And if that doesn't work just make sure Machado's agent "accidentally" comes across a for-internal-purposes-only email saying that the Phillies management has been authorized to beat any bid for his services when he hits the open market, no matter for how much or how long.

I think it's because everyone got excited for Machado. But this is a fine deal. I'm not a fan of moving Hoskins to left but it is what it is. Santana will play first, not Joseph.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 20:43:34

Doll Is Mine wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:I don't know why everyone isn't head-over-heels in love with this deal. Another guy who - *gasp* - will take a fucking pitch after years of watching Freddie (god love him) and Maikel (the devil take him). Maybe he and Rhys Hoskins' approach will rub off on, say, Nick Williams or Aaron Altherr. Three years at $20M is reasonable considering how much payroll room the Phils have and besides everything he adds lefty balance against RH pitching to Hoskins and can be used to break up late inning relief. Lineup that looks like this:

Odubel
Hernandez (SS)
Altherr
Hoskins
Santana
Kingery
Crawford (3B)
Knapp / Alfaro

has me pretty excited actually. Great deal IMHO.

I think it's because everyone got excited for Machado. But this is a fine deal. I'm not a fan of moving Hoskins to left but it is what it is. Santana will play first, not Joseph.

Not sure how this means no Machado. Half the reason they traded Galvis for that pitcher, I figure, is to offer him to the Orioles as part of the deal.

And if that doesn't work just make sure Machado's agent "accidentally" comes across a for-internal-purposes-only email saying that the Phillies management has been authorized to beat any bid for his services when he hits the open market, no matter for how much or how long.

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 21:32:04

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I think Crawford would be at SS and Hernandez would be at 3B in your scenario.

Need a starter, really two, and then we're in business.

cesar can't play on the left side of the infield i don't think.

I thought he could play 3B, but you may be right. Someone would be out of position, not that it's necessarily a terrible thing.

by **Shore** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 23:02:36

Talked to a dude who's an MLB front office guy. Very complimentary of Santana. Said his scouts, and his data, agree he's very good at 1B. Splits are good. And 3 years is a great length for him. Also believes there is something else coming, and that we (Phillies) are very active right now. So there's that.

*IF* we flip Altherr++ to get pitching or elite 3B, I'll be thrilled. I like the bullpen additions, I like Santana's eye, I like moving Galvis at near-peak value, I like replacing Joseph, like all of it. Need Franco gone, and for Hoskins to play every day. And, I want to see Alfaro.

by **swishnicholson** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 23:19:49

Monkeyboy wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I think Crawford would be at SS and Hernandez would be at 3B in your scenario.

Need a starter, really two, and then we're in business.

cesar can't play on the left side of the infield i don't think.

I thought he could play 3B, but you may be right. Someone would be out of position, not that it's necessarily a terrible thing.

It's not my preference, but Hernandez has played 10% of his mlb games at either short or third. Not sure where it comes from that he "can't" play the left side.

by **Bucky** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 23:21:22

just look up to the to of your post, it came from MB

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 23:22:21

Maybe they'll trade for Donaldson instead.

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 23:29:34

I'm kinda excited for next season.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 23:47:23

mozartpc27 wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:I don't know why everyone isn't head-over-heels in love with this deal. Another guy who - *gasp* - will take a #$!&@ pitch after years of watching Freddie (god love him) and Maikel (the devil take him). Maybe he and Rhys Hoskins' approach will rub off on, say, Nick Williams or Aaron Altherr. Three years at $20M is reasonable considering how much payroll room the Phils have and besides everything he adds lefty balance against RH pitching to Hoskins and can be used to break up late inning relief. Lineup that looks like this:

Odubel
Hernandez (SS)
Altherr
Hoskins
Santana
Kingery
Crawford (3B)
Knapp / Alfaro

has me pretty excited actually. Great deal IMHO.

I think it's because everyone got excited for Machado. But this is a fine deal. I'm not a fan of moving Hoskins to left but it is what it is. Santana will play first, not Joseph.

Not sure how this means no Machado. Half the reason they traded Galvis for that pitcher, I figure, is to offer him to the Orioles as part of the deal.

And if that doesn't work just make sure Machado's agent "accidentally" comes across a for-internal-purposes-only email saying that the Phillies management has been authorized to beat any bid for his services when he hits the open market, no matter for how much or how long.

if no machado I would switch Altherr and Santana and replace Kingery with Franco (at east to start)

by **ReadingPhilly** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 23:49:51

swishnicholson wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I think Crawford would be at SS and Hernandez would be at 3B in your scenario.

Need a starter, really two, and then we're in business.

cesar can't play on the left side of the infield i don't think.

I thought he could play 3B, but you may be right. Someone would be out of position, not that it's necessarily a terrible thing.

It's not my preference, but Hernandez has played 10% of his mlb games at either short or third. Not sure where it comes from that he "can't" play the left side.

those 10% of games

by **SCPhillyPhan** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 00:05:16

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
Shore wrote:
WilliamC wrote:I would bet we will be a top 10 team in baseball offensively next year in runs scored.

I'm your huckleberry.

We were 27th this year. I'd settle for league-average this year. That would be a big step forward.

What were they ranked in the second half of the season?

They scored 338 pre-ASG (87 G) and 352 post-ASG (75 games). Not sure that helps, but I'm not breaking down every team and can't find that stat readily-accessible on B-R.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/182

Phillies were 10th in runs scored post All Star.

by **Bill McNeal** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 00:07:49

The fire sale marlins were 6th and the nats 17th. Let’s mash

by **SCPhillyPhan** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 00:13:04

I like this signing. Power bat. Great command of the Strike zone. Paid too much, but since we aren't paying anybody this year anyway... At 32yo a three year deal doesn't hamstring us. Hoskins to the outfield is a drawback, but considering our small park, it's not that big a deal.

I'm not sure this means a second shoe is dropping. If it does, my guess is for a middle of the rotation starter. I'd rather sign a FA pitcher, rotate the 4 OFers and keep the arm we got for Freddy.

Somebody else noted it, but when a co-worker told me about this signing, my first thought was Middleton won this skirmish with the FO.

by **SCPhillyPhan** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 00:14:00

Ad if we trade or sign a decent SP, we're a second place team in the East.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:04:38

ReadingPhilly wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I think Crawford would be at SS and Hernandez would be at 3B in your scenario.

Need a starter, really two, and then we're in business.

cesar can't play on the left side of the infield i don't think.

I thought he could play 3B, but you may be right. Someone would be out of position, not that it's necessarily a terrible thing.

It's not my preference, but Hernandez has played 10% of his mlb games at either short or third. Not sure where it comes from that he "can't" play the left side.

those 10% of games

I have Kingery at 2B instead of Hernandez, but Hernandez in the lineup, because I can't stand to look at Franco anymore tbh. Would rather give up the defense a bit to have competent bats in the lineup - i.e., even J.P. knows how to TAKE A @$%&ING PITCH.

by **Squire** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:31:32

Zolecki notes that we didn't give Santana any no trade provisions in the deal

by **SixerLed3** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 09:16:41

Santana's deal becomes official today and the Phillies will hold a press conference to introduce him.

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