Orange is the new whack (politics)

Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 21, 2016 08:15:36

Soren wrote:I have a friend who is voting Trump over Clinton because he is "a proud anti-war voter."

who does he think Trump (and Chris Christie) will fill his cabinet with? Noam Chomsky?
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Soren » Fri Oct 21, 2016 08:20:46

I guess he thinks Trump won't follow up on all the war crimes he suggested we commit.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 21, 2016 08:22:51

what's the fucking point then?
HARRISBURG - With no debate, the Senate approved a controversial measure Wednesday that would pave the way for more police officers to wear body cameras - but also severely limit public access to any of the recordings.

The Republican-controlled chamber approved, 45-5, a bill making changes to the state's Wiretap Act to allow officers to wear such cameras inside a private home in addition to public spaces, while not having to explicitly inform every person they encounter that they are wearing one.

But the legislation, championed by Sen. Stewart J. Greenleaf (R., Montgomery), also would make it extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible, for members of the public to access audio or video from the cameras. It would require very specific written requests for those records, and several levels of law enforcement approval before they could be released.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby JUburton » Fri Oct 21, 2016 08:27:56

because blue lives matter, pac

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 21, 2016 08:30:18

PA responds to Trump's allegations of fraud in PA:
Pennsylvania Secretary of State Pedro Cortés largely avoided addressing Trump by name, although he did call the businessman's comments "irresponsible."
Implying that fraud is rampant is "not only wrong, it is also dangerous," Cortés said.
He also had some words for reporters.
"After the 2000 election, people wanted the next Florida," he said. "Sorry if we didn't give you much to write about. We run good elections in Pennsylvania. We have done so historically. We will do so again."
Cortés added that voter intimidation is a federal crime.

Pedro, eh?! #MAGA
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Oct 21, 2016 08:59:10

The Upshot has Hillary's chances of winning up to 93/7.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:00:43

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Cardinal Dolan calls on Hillary to apologize for insulting & ridiculing Catholics. Liberal religious bigotry not OK.

Does anyone know the background on this? I didn't see the Cardinal's comments, and I don't even know what he's talking about re: Hillary.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:01:26

Florida voters are being tricked by a ballot question about solar panels. It's couched in pro-solar language but would actually make it much harder for people to take advantage of solar panels.

former legislator breaks down the deception
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:02:55

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
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Cardinal Dolan calls on Hillary to apologize for insulting & ridiculing Catholics. Liberal religious bigotry not OK.

Does anyone know the background on this? I didn't see the Cardinal's comments, and I don't even know what he's talking about re: Hillary.


I think there was something in the wikileaks between Podesta and another staffer mocking Evangelicals or something.. don't remember.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:03:19

was in a podesta email i think. he said their beliefs are severely backwards (i think specifically re: women). shame on him!!

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby The Dude » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:04:09

Youseff wrote:after the hostility of the campaign, I find this roast to be a weird spectacle and more than a bit unsettling.


not sure if you saw the live feed (which was still available on youtube last night), but they just had a camera set up recording everything when people weren't speaking, so you were mostly watching people eating dinner. But watching Clinton and Trump small talking to each other during that was really annoying, just shows how much of an entertainment thing the debates are.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:05:58

The usual suspects are already coalescing around an answer — namely, that she just got lucky. If only the Republicans hadn’t nominated Donald Trump, the story goes, she’d be losing badly.

But here’s a contrarian thought: Maybe Mrs. Clinton is winning because she possesses some fundamental political strengths — strengths that fall into many pundits’ blind spots.

First of all, who was this other, stronger candidate that the G.O.P. might have chosen? Remember, Mr. Trump won the nomination because he gave his party’s base what it wanted, channeling the racial antagonism that has been the driving force for Republican electoral success for decades. All he did was say out loud what his rivals were trying to convey with dog whistles, which explains why they were so ineffective in opposing him.

And those establishment candidates were much more Trumpian than those fantasizing about a different history — say, one in which the G.O.P. nominated Marco Rubio — acknowledge. Many people remember Mr. Rubio’s brain glitch: the canned lines about “let’s dispel with this fiction” that he kept repeating in a disastrous debate performance. Fewer seem aware that those lines actually enunciated a crazy conspiracy theory, essentially accusing President Obama of deliberately weakening America. Is that really much better than the things Mr. Trump says? Only if you imagine that Mr. Rubio didn’t believe what he was saying — yet his insincerity, the obvious way he was trying to play a part, was surely part of his weakness.

That is, in fact, a general problem for establishment Republicans. How many of them really believe that tax cuts have magical powers, that climate change is a giant hoax, that saying the words “Islamic terrorism” will somehow defeat ISIS? Yet pretending to believe these things is the price of admission to the club — and the falsity of that pretense shines through.

And one more point about Mr. Rubio: why imagine that a man who collapsed in the face of childish needling from Mr. Trump would have triumphed over the woman who kept her cool during 11 hours of grilling over Benghazi, and made her interrogators look like fools? Which brings us to the question of Mrs. Clinton’s strengths.


Yet the person tens of millions of viewers saw in this fall’s debates was hugely impressive all the same: self-possessed, almost preternaturally calm under pressure, deeply prepared, clearly in command of policy issues. And she was also working to a strategic plan: Each debate victory looked much bigger after a couple of days, once the implications had time to sink in, than it may have seemed on the night.

Oh, and the strengths she showed in the debates are also strengths that would serve her well as president. Just thought I should mention that. And maybe ordinary citizens noticed the same thing; maybe obvious competence and poise in stressful situations can add up to a kind of star quality, even if it doesn’t fit conventional notions of charisma.


So let’s dispel with this fiction that Hillary Clinton is only where she is through a random stroke of good luck. She’s a formidable figure, and has been all along.


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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:06:16

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
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Cardinal Dolan calls on Hillary to apologize for insulting & ridiculing Catholics. Liberal religious bigotry not OK.

Does anyone know the background on this? I didn't see the Cardinal's comments, and I don't even know what he's talking about re: Hillary.

some of the emails showed some people in her camp were making jokes or talking about conservative Catholics. I had a small blurb about it. Podesta is a catholic and made a few comments about how backwards the religion is towards women.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:08:55

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
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Cardinal Dolan calls on Hillary to apologize for insulting & ridiculing Catholics. Liberal religious bigotry not OK.

Does anyone know the background on this? I didn't see the Cardinal's comments, and I don't even know what he's talking about re: Hillary.


One possible explanation
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:09:38

I realize that I'm probably a year or more behind on this, but I watched the "Waldo Moment" episode from S2 of Black Mirror for the first time this week.

Holy crap, they sure did predict the Trump campaign, right to a tee.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:10:51

slugsrbad wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
Ted Cruz @tedcruz
Cardinal Dolan calls on Hillary to apologize for insulting & ridiculing Catholics. Liberal religious bigotry not OK.

Does anyone know the background on this? I didn't see the Cardinal's comments, and I don't even know what he's talking about re: Hillary.


I think there was something in the wikileaks between Podesta and another staffer mocking Evangelicals or something.. don't remember.

Right, which Trump's goons seized on as evidence of her being anti-Catholic. But nothing from her directly, which is why the Cruz tweet confused me.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:14:43

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
Ted Cruz @tedcruz
Cardinal Dolan calls on Hillary to apologize for insulting & ridiculing Catholics. Liberal religious bigotry not OK.

Does anyone know the background on this? I didn't see the Cardinal's comments, and I don't even know what he's talking about re: Hillary.


I think there was something in the wikileaks between Podesta and another staffer mocking Evangelicals or something.. don't remember.

Right, which Trump's goons seized on as evidence of her being anti-Catholic. But nothing from her directly, which is why the Cruz tweet confused me.

it's just a tactic. the same people that hate political correctness and constantly bash one religion (islam) feel fake offended at everything. Clinton even used the phrase 'crocodile tears' in the debate at one of the fake outrages (i believe the state of the economy).
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:14:47

when is the last time something ted cruz made sense?

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:22:16

JFLNYC wrote:
The usual suspects are already coalescing around an answer — namely, that she just got lucky. If only the Republicans hadn’t nominated Donald Trump, the story goes, she’d be losing badly.

But here’s a contrarian thought: Maybe Mrs. Clinton is winning because she possesses some fundamental political strengths — strengths that fall into many pundits’ blind spots.

First of all, who was this other, stronger candidate that the G.O.P. might have chosen? Remember, Mr. Trump won the nomination because he gave his party’s base what it wanted, channeling the racial antagonism that has been the driving force for Republican electoral success for decades. All he did was say out loud what his rivals were trying to convey with dog whistles, which explains why they were so ineffective in opposing him.

And those establishment candidates were much more Trumpian than those fantasizing about a different history — say, one in which the G.O.P. nominated Marco Rubio — acknowledge. Many people remember Mr. Rubio’s brain glitch: the canned lines about “let’s dispel with this fiction” that he kept repeating in a disastrous debate performance. Fewer seem aware that those lines actually enunciated a crazy conspiracy theory, essentially accusing President Obama of deliberately weakening America. Is that really much better than the things Mr. Trump says? Only if you imagine that Mr. Rubio didn’t believe what he was saying — yet his insincerity, the obvious way he was trying to play a part, was surely part of his weakness.

That is, in fact, a general problem for establishment Republicans. How many of them really believe that tax cuts have magical powers, that climate change is a giant hoax, that saying the words “Islamic terrorism” will somehow defeat ISIS? Yet pretending to believe these things is the price of admission to the club — and the falsity of that pretense shines through.

And one more point about Mr. Rubio: why imagine that a man who collapsed in the face of childish needling from Mr. Trump would have triumphed over the woman who kept her cool during 11 hours of grilling over Benghazi, and made her interrogators look like fools? Which brings us to the question of Mrs. Clinton’s strengths.


Yet the person tens of millions of viewers saw in this fall’s debates was hugely impressive all the same: self-possessed, almost preternaturally calm under pressure, deeply prepared, clearly in command of policy issues. And she was also working to a strategic plan: Each debate victory looked much bigger after a couple of days, once the implications had time to sink in, than it may have seemed on the night.

Oh, and the strengths she showed in the debates are also strengths that would serve her well as president. Just thought I should mention that. And maybe ordinary citizens noticed the same thing; maybe obvious competence and poise in stressful situations can add up to a kind of star quality, even if it doesn’t fit conventional notions of charisma.


So let’s dispel with this fiction that Hillary Clinton is only where she is through a random stroke of good luck. She’s a formidable figure, and has been all along.


Krugman


This, so much of this.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Fri Oct 21, 2016 09:26:37

she should smile more/less
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