Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Soren » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:59:51

JFLNYC wrote:Just to put things in perspective a bit, Bush & Cheney invade Iraq based on lies, costing us thousands of lives, tens of thousands of emotionally and physically damaged vets, trillions of dollars, stupidly fire the Iraqi military and start a prison which becomes the birthplace of ISIS, engage in torture and destabilize the region by eliminating the one government acting as a bulwark against Iran but Hillary, not they, should be indicted for a handful of emails which may or may not have contained classified material and for which there is no evidence they fell into enemy hands.


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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Soren » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:00:23

I would forfeit all future earning to see Cheney get waterboarded and then publicly flayed.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:00:47

Is your news source liberal or conservative? Just pick the headline: "No criminal charges" v. "Extremely careless...compromised national security"
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:04:08

JFLNYC wrote:Just to put things in perspective a bit, Bush & Cheney invade Iraq based on lies, costing us thousands of lives, tens of thousands of emotionally and physically damaged vets, trillions of dollars, stupidly fire the Iraqi military and start a prison which becomes the birthplace of ISIS, engage in torture and destabilize the region by eliminating the one government acting as a bulwark against Iran but Hillary, not they, should be indicted for a handful of emails which may or may not have contained classified material and for which there is no evidence they fell into enemy hands.


now you're just splitting heeby-jobbies
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:06:32

not meaning to harp on it, but HRC's said SHE hadn't sent/received any classified, etc, etc, while Comey's saying 110 messages "in 52 email chains" (? maybe he didn't use those words to describe them) were deemed classified, but not that she sent/received them. So both could be correct then?
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:08:22

i'd have to read the transcript but i really think it's mostly immaterial. but yeah, she can be in an email chain where info is relayed and she wasn't the one to relay it. those seem like short email chains, though.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:08:42

TenuredVulture wrote:Is your news source liberal or conservative? Just pick the headline: "No criminal charges" v. "Extremely careless...compromised national security"

i knew politico was liberal
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Werthless » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:27:27

drsmooth wrote:not meaning to harp on it, but HRC's said SHE hadn't sent/received any classified, etc, etc, while Comey's saying 110 messages "in 52 email chains" (? maybe he didn't use those words to describe them) were deemed classified, but not that she sent/received them. So both could be correct then?

Depends on what your definition of "received" is. And "is."

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:43:27

jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:three emails sent or received were found to be classified at the time they were sent or received

110 but good try

I thought those were found to be classified after the fact rather than being marked as such at the time they were sent, not that it excuses the situation.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:44:35

Werthless wrote:Depends on what your definition of "received" is. And "is."


hmmm. to me it seems clearer than that - like the difference between a specific person, and "someone". I didn't listen to Comey's whole spiel so maybe I missed him clarifying
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:45:36

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:three emails sent or received were found to be classified at the time they were sent or received

110 but good try

I thought those were found to be classified after the fact rather than being marked as such at the time they were sent, not that it excuses the situation.

113 total classified at the time. 110 were previously turned over, 3 were 'uncovered'.


According to a Wall Street Journal report by Adam Entous and Devlin Barrett last month, the FBI probe has focused on a series of "vaguely worded" emails from Clinton aides about planned CIA drone strikes in Pakistan
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:46:18

pacino wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:three emails sent or received were found to be classified at the time they were sent or received

110 but good try

I thought those were found to be classified after the fact rather than being marked as such at the time they were sent, not that it excuses the situation.

113 total classified at the time. 110 were previously turned over, 3 were 'uncovered'.

Ah gotcha thanks. I hadn't been paying close attention to this story for a while... didn't seem worth it until the FBI issued some actual findings.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:04:30

just want to let you guys know that while these posts are marked "drsmooth", I am really his dog

sometimes
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:07:16

Glenn Greenwald is in a tizzy
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Werthless » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:12:02

drsmooth wrote:just want to let you guys know that while these posts are marked "drsmooth", I am really his dog

sometimes

Figured it was a gerbil, actually. ;)

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:43:57

JFLNYC wrote:Just to put things in perspective a bit, Bush & Cheney invade Iraq based on lies, costing us thousands of lives, tens of thousands of emotionally and physically damaged vets, trillions of dollars, stupidly fire the Iraqi military and start a prison which becomes the birthplace of ISIS, engage in torture and destabilize the region by eliminating the one government acting as a bulwark against Iran but Hillary, not they, should be indicted for a handful of emails which may or may not have contained classified material and for which there is no evidence they fell into enemy hands.


But don't forget about Benghazi!
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:45:26

Theresa May dominating the vote for leader of the Conservatives in the UK

still gonna be a Brexit???

not that she'll be any great shakes
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:54:45

It's amazing to me that someone actually voted for this guy to represent them in Congress. Yikes.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby JUburton » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:58:13

He's a Texas (R) so you could probably find something else to lambaste him over other than his looks.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Tue Jul 05, 2016 13:58:53

settled a sexual harassment accusation out of court last year

was a conservative talk show host

defeated a long-time congressmen in 2010 and then they redistricted latinos out of his district so he could win again
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