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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Oct 14, 2015 16:39:31

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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Wed Oct 14, 2015 16:40:05

To be fair, I do think the DVR is awesome.
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Bill McNeal » Wed Oct 14, 2015 16:50:27

I read that article on deadspin as well and the first thing I'd say is that the guy who wrote it is kind of a huge douche. He tries to be like Magary and be angry about things with a humorous angle, but he's not funny at all so he just yells about stuff constantly. I get it, it's annoying when you get a new game system or piece of tech and you have to update and patch it before you can really use it, but the alternative is having something that is what it is when it ships and you can't change it, I'll take the trade off of spending a couple hours getting it setup when I buy it (a onetime activity) in order to have the ability to patch, update, or add content to my games and other things it offers.
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Wed Oct 14, 2015 16:56:20

Bill McNeal wrote:I read that article on deadspin as well and the first thing I'd say is that the guy who wrote it is kind of a huge douche. He tries to be like Magary and be angry about things with a humorous angle, but he's not funny at all so he just yells about stuff constantly. I get it, it's annoying when you get a new game system or piece of tech and you have to update and patch it before you can really use it, but the alternative is having something that is what it is when it ships and you can't change it, I'll take the trade off of spending a couple hours getting it setup when I buy it (a onetime activity) in order to have the ability to patch, update, or add content to my games and other things it offers.


You're right about the article, but I still think there's value in just being able to buy something, plugging it in, turning it on, and having it work. If you want to have updates and such, those should be as unobtrusive as possible, and not interfere with the actual usage of the device. And, of course, you shouldn't ship the damn thing if it needs updates as soon as it's purchased.

I just think we've reached a kind of limit when it comes to technology bringing us convenience.

(Though my wife seems to really be enjoying her cordless phone charger, so yeah, I might just be wrong.)
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby The Dude » Wed Oct 14, 2015 16:58:46

Updates are also for devices that have been on the shelf in the store for a couple years, or your laptop that you've had for 5 years. Gotta look at it that way too. None of that is hard, though, and the benefits of all this greatly outweigh any inconvenience. I'm the weird guy that likes getting the brand new phone or laptop and setting it all up, though
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Oct 14, 2015 17:00:58

there is a huge overhead in technology, that is correct. but it is a net gain.

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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Bill McNeal » Wed Oct 14, 2015 17:01:00

TenuredVulture wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:I read that article on deadspin as well and the first thing I'd say is that the guy who wrote it is kind of a huge douche. He tries to be like Magary and be angry about things with a humorous angle, but he's not funny at all so he just yells about stuff constantly. I get it, it's annoying when you get a new game system or piece of tech and you have to update and patch it before you can really use it, but the alternative is having something that is what it is when it ships and you can't change it, I'll take the trade off of spending a couple hours getting it setup when I buy it (a onetime activity) in order to have the ability to patch, update, or add content to my games and other things it offers.


You're right about the article, but I still think there's value in just being able to buy something, plugging it in, turning it on, and having it work. If you want to have updates and such, those should be as unobtrusive as possible, and not interfere with the actual usage of the device. And, of course, you shouldn't ship the damn thing if it needs updates as soon as it's purchased.

I just think we've reached a kind of limit when it comes to technology bringing us convenience.

(Though my wife seems to really be enjoying her cordless phone charger, so yeah, I might just be wrong.)


That's just not realistic. The Xbox one came out like 2 years ago. Stock on retailers shelves is who knows how old, at least a few weeks but likely several months. A lot of these things have monthly update bundles, so you are just going to have to go through that.

I do agree on the unobtrusiveness part of it, but that's getting a lot better as things can auto update in the middle of the night now.
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Oct 14, 2015 17:04:06

EVERYTHING'S AMAZING etc.

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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Oct 14, 2015 17:07:40

Bill McNeal wrote:I read that article on deadspin as well and the first thing I'd say is that the guy who wrote it is kind of a huge douche. He tries to be like Magary and be angry about things with a humorous angle, but he's not funny at all so he just yells about stuff constantly. I get it, it's annoying when you get a new game system or piece of tech and you have to update and patch it before you can really use it, but the alternative is having something that is what it is when it ships and you can't change it, I'll take the trade off of spending a couple hours getting it setup when I buy it (a onetime activity) in order to have the ability to patch, update, or add content to my games and other things it offers.
Yeah, Eem tweeted similar earlier today. The guy is a shitty Magary rip off.

There definitely are issues with specific systems, but you know what you get with technology when it comes to setup and all that. It took me a day to setup my home theater system and that's basically all analog so it's not like BIG NEW TECHNOLOGY is to blame.

He just caught a bad system and I had one with a bad disc drive too that I had to send to MS and get back and it was a pain in the ass but this dude is basically using deadspin as his own video game system yelp.

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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby JUburton » Wed Oct 14, 2015 17:08:32

The only technology thing that pisses me off today is that goddamn Amazon Echo commercial that activates my Echo EVERY GOD DAMN TIME. God dammit, fuck you Alexa.

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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Youseff » Wed Oct 14, 2015 17:58:16

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I hate when a tv show or movie has this construction where someone drops some innuendo by casually referring to a conversation from hours ago like that's a normal thing to do. was watching an episode of the Knick and it goes like this:

Man: We delivered a baby here.

::all kinds of crazy shit happens, violence, suspense, etc.; at least 8 hours pass::

Man: Welp, I guess that's it.
Woman: What was the sex?
Man: W-wuh?
Woman: Ha ha, of the babies you delivered, silly. What was the SEX of the babies?
Man: Oh, I see.

::Man and Woman have sex::

no one does that!


I used to date this girl that did do that. she bought men's seduction books and would try out the techniques. she was very sexually aggressive (seemingly to everyone except for me :| ) and would do things like, oh, I have to leave at sex thirty. she's a shaman now or something.
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Youseff » Wed Oct 14, 2015 17:59:46

TenuredVulture wrote:I think that we have past the point where new technologies have made our lives easier and better, and now are at the point where new technologies are primarily intrusive and in fact don't work as well as old technologies. I read something in deadspin or somewhere that compared the XBOX 1 very unfavorably with previous gaming consoles--it takes hours to set up, games take hours to install and update, and so forth. Indeed, it seems using any piece of software or new technology these days requires hours of tedious set up, remembering passwords and usernames, and on and on. All this limits whatever utility the cloud might have had. I just want to plug in my VCR, slap a tape in, and watch a movie. Furthermore, with this new model, you don't really own anything. Instead, you pay for a license to access content, which means that content can go away at any time.

Computer printers are another constant technological annoyance. True, they're practically free, but ink runs out, and ink cartridges seem to frequently not work well, rendering the entire device inoperable. (If I'm ever tempted to vote for Carly Fiorina...)

Amazon Dash is the wave of the future--is the tiny bit of convenience it offers really worth anything? It seems almost all the benefits accrue to amazon and Tide or whoever, as using the device locks you into their services. This is where the internet of things takes us--it's not designed for consumer convenience or value at all, but for the benefit of corporate overlords.

The internet is basically a giant time suck, the small nuggets of useful or interesting information is buried in a sea of utter shit.

Finally, much of the promise of all this connectivity has been nothing but unmet potential. Netflix was supposed to get beyond the business of mailing DVDs to everyone--instant view was the future. But almost nothing you want to watch is available on instant these days.

In short--new technology is expensive, difficult to use, and doesn't work very well.

Now I'm going to go yell at clouds.


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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby SK790 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 18:34:48

Bill McNeal wrote:I read that article on deadspin as well and the first thing I'd say is that the guy who wrote it is kind of a huge douche. He tries to be like Magary and be angry about things with a humorous angle, but he's not funny at all so he just yells about stuff constantly. I get it, it's annoying when you get a new game system or piece of tech and you have to update and patch it before you can really use it, but the alternative is having something that is what it is when it ships and you can't change it, I'll take the trade off of spending a couple hours getting it setup when I buy it (a onetime activity) in order to have the ability to patch, update, or add content to my games and other things it offers.

Burkeno is awful unless he's making a political point. His rants are in place when he's railing against the NFL for being soulless or pointing out what a scumbag Kevin Johnson is, but when he goes off about a video game console or lets say, the correct way to make chili, he comes off like an angry dick. He's also the asshole who wrote countless "the sixers are an embarrassment to the NBA" articles last year.

TBF, I kinda hate Magery, too. The same thing applies to him, when his anger is placed upon something that matters, it's good. I guess the exception is that his Why Your NFL Team Sucks series is hilarious because I love the stories of stupid fans.
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby phatj » Wed Oct 14, 2015 19:55:44

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I hate when a tv show or movie has this construction where someone drops some innuendo by casually referring to a conversation from hours ago like that's a normal thing to do. was watching an episode of the Knick and it goes like this:

Man: We delivered a baby here.

::all kinds of crazy #$!&@ happens, violence, suspense, etc.; at least 8 hours pass::

Man: Welp, I guess that's it.
Woman: What was the sex?
Man: W-wuh?
Woman: Ha ha, of the babies you delivered, silly. What was the SEX of the babies?
Man: Oh, I see.

::Man and Woman have sex::

no one does that!

My wife does stuff like this. Only instead of saying "Oh, I see" I stare at her like she has three heads and Man and Woman do not have sex
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Bill McNeal » Wed Oct 14, 2015 20:01:51

Next time say "oh, I see... Is this the part where we get naked?"
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby WheelsFellOff » Wed Oct 14, 2015 21:45:10

I'm tempted to agree with TV's old man rant right now after a new "guy who knows computers" call from my sister. Troubleshooting a wireless network problem blind over the phone for an operating system you haven't used in 3+ years is a real hoot.
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby PTOITWCFTPP » Wed Oct 14, 2015 21:48:29

The Dude wrote:Gonna be hard t disagree more with this. A couple of the points are just incorrect, like with the owning of digital content.

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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Werthless » Wed Oct 14, 2015 23:10:57

TenuredVulture wrote:I just think we've reached a kind of limit when it comes to technology bringing us convenience.

Obviously not a history professor. :) I hope I remember to quote this post in the future.

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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby Youseff » Thu Oct 15, 2015 09:19:08

at some point in the 80s my dad said humanity had reached near the end of their inventing capabilities. smh.
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Re: Penguins are my favorite animals and other RANDOM though

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:04:28

Technology obviously will continue to progress. I'm just not sure any of us are going to benefit much from it. I simply think we've hit a kind of inflection point--over the last 10-15 years, we've seen amazing advances in usability and convenience, and the benefits have far outstripped the costs. I now see signs that that's over.

Furthermore, as everything becomes disposable (cheap junk) or virtual (in the cloud) we lose the tactile pleasures one gets from truly well engineered products. Computer keyboards are an obvious example.
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