pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

It's not a simple problem. There are ally countries that should extradite, but we all know that can be a joke.

But can't we all agree at the very least that applying the logic to situations where there isn't even an imminent threat to US citizens means that the White House has essentially wiped its collective ass with the Constitution?

pacino wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

we are supposedly allies with Pakistan and basically fund their military.

so you'd rather violate the rule of law to get supposed terrorists? i dont know man, that's tough for me to buy

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

we are supposedly allies with Pakistan and basically fund their military.

so you'd rather violate the rule of law to get supposed terrorists? i dont know man, that's tough for me to buy

They wouldn't even give us BIN LADEN.

Look, I think Obama's drone policies are ridiculous. Way too frequent, with too many consequences. Pragmatically, it is stupid to take drone strikes off the table though.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

It's not a simple problem. There are ally countries that should extradite, but we all know that can be a joke.

But can't we all agree at the very least that applying the logic to situations where there isn't even an imminent threat to US citizens means that the White House has essentially wiped its collective ass with the Constitution?

drsmooth wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

It's not a simple problem. There are ally countries that should extradite, but we all know that can be a joke.

But can't we all agree at the very least that applying the logic to situations where there isn't even an imminent threat to US citizens means that the White House has essentially wiped its collective ass with the Constitution?

At very least it seems that leading, or even proposing to lead, some kind of candid national conversation about the issues involved is the "leader-y" thing to do. Peevish insistence that I should be left alone to do the right thing because, you know, I will do the right thing, just doesn't float in a legit democracy

drsmooth wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

It's not a simple problem. There are ally countries that should extradite, but we all know that can be a joke.

But can't we all agree at the very least that applying the logic to situations where there isn't even an imminent threat to US citizens means that the White House has essentially wiped its collective ass with the Constitution?

At very least it seems that leading, or even proposing to lead, some kind of candid national conversation about the issues involved is the "leader-y" thing to do. Peevish insistence that I should be left alone to do the right thing because, you know, I will do the right thing, just doesn't float in a legit democracy

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

It's not a simple problem. There are ally countries that should extradite, but we all know that can be a joke.

But can't we all agree at the very least that applying the logic to situations where there isn't even an imminent threat to US citizens means that the White House has essentially wiped its collective ass with the Constitution?

At very least it seems that leading, or even proposing to lead, some kind of candid national conversation about the issues involved is the "leader-y" thing to do. Peevish insistence that I should be left alone to do the right thing because, you know, I will do the right thing, just doesn't float in a legit democracy

It's infuriating... it's exactly the type of thing that Obama campaigned against. Sadly, Romney should have been ripping him apart for months on this point during the campaign, but (1) he probably agreed with Obama, (2) even if he didn't agree he was afraid of looking like a sissy on terrorism, and (3) he sucked. Oh and (4) way too many Americans are too stupid/self-centered to understand why this is even a problem.

pacino wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

It's not a simple problem. There are ally countries that should extradite, but we all know that can be a joke.

But can't we all agree at the very least that applying the logic to situations where there isn't even an imminent threat to US citizens means that the White House has essentially wiped its collective ass with the Constitution?

At very least it seems that leading, or even proposing to lead, some kind of candid national conversation about the issues involved is the "leader-y" thing to do. Peevish insistence that I should be left alone to do the right thing because, you know, I will do the right thing, just doesn't float in a legit democracy

and even if we trust THIS administration, who's to say we trust the NEXT administration to show any sort of restraint?

pacino wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:It's infuriating... it's exactly the type of thing that Obama campaigned against. Sadly, Romney should have been ripping him apart for months on this point during the campaign, but (1) he probably agreed with Obama, (2) even if he didn't agree he was afraid of looking like a sissy on terrorism, and (3) he sucked. Oh and (4) way too many Americans are too stupid/self-centered to understand why this is even a problem.

you saw the debate on foreign policy that had about 3 questions on foreign policy where they basically agreed except for the Libyan 9/11 attack and then the entire thing went back to the usual questions?

The politician, Chokri Belaid, a leading member of a leftist opposition alliance formed in October, was shot by an unknown gunman or gunmen just as he was leaving his house in Tunis, Tunisia’s capital, the state news agency TAP said. A colleague in Mr. Belaid’s opposition alliance told Reuters that he was killed with four bullets to the head and chest.

Tunisia’s president, Moncef Marzouki, cut short an overseas trip and was scheduled to return to the country. The prime minister, Hamadi Jebali, called the killing “a political assassination and the assassination of the Tunisian revolution,” according to Reuters.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the killing, which appeared to represent a dangerous new phase in Tunisia’s troubled transition to democracy. Since becoming the first Arab country to overthrow its leader after the start of the so-called Arab Spring uprisings in 2011, Tunisia has been torn between its legacy as a bastion for Arab secularism, and its new role, as a proving ground for the region’s emerging democracies in which Islamists play a leading role.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

pacino wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

pacino wrote:preparing myself for the Nixonian logic to come out of tomorrow's hearing. 'welp, it's legal cause, uhm, im the president'. pesky ideas of arresting someone and trying them is just too much. rendition/torture was bad enough, now we're just murdering citizens and non-citizens because, well, it's TOUGH to police. this is much more fun, it's like a videah game!

How do you arrest someone in another nation?

It's not a simple problem. There are ally countries that should extradite, but we all know that can be a joke.

But can't we all agree at the very least that applying the logic to situations where there isn't even an imminent threat to US citizens means that the White House has essentially wiped its collective ass with the Constitution?

At very least it seems that leading, or even proposing to lead, some kind of candid national conversation about the issues involved is the "leader-y" thing to do. Peevish insistence that I should be left alone to do the right thing because, you know, I will do the right thing, just doesn't float in a legit democracy

and even if we trust THIS administration, who's to say we trust the NEXT administration to show any sort of restraint?

It's pretty easy to see the policy being extended to a US citizen inside our own borders within the next 20 years. People can say "no chance" all they want, but look at the things that we (as a nation) accept being done PUBLICLY in our name that would've been anathema a generation ago. We brag about the death of a 16 y.o. US citizen and WH spokespersons say things like "he should've had a far more responsible father."