Al Franken Century / Super Inaug-u-rama Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:39:35

Glenn Greenwald reports that some high-profile Senators have reintroduced the bill from last year that would limit excessive assertion of the State Secrets privilege. Here's hoping it gets through this time--which I guess would mean a lot of the Republicans who were against it when one of their own was in the Oval Office now would sign on to limit the powers of a Democratic president.

Then again, they've already "rediscovered their principles" on spending restraint, so there would seem to be a chance.

dajafi
Moderator / BSG MVP
Moderator / BSG MVP
 
Posts: 24567
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 20:03:18
Location: Brooklyn

Postby Werthless » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:51:02

So you think there may be bipartisan support? I'm down with that.

Werthless
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 12968
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 16:07:07

Postby dajafi » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:57:05

I have no idea, really. Specter is a sponsor, according to the Greenwald post. But obviously he's not very representative of their caucus.

It's a question of how they view executive power, and maybe one of those internal contradictions of Republicanism that I like to go on and on about: the neocon tendency would be to oppose that bill because they're for an unfettered executive, while the small-government, limited-powers crowd would very much want to impose some constraints. That second group was pretty quiet during the Bush years, going along with huge spending and wiretapping and all sorts of things that made Barry Goldwater spin in his grave. Was that just a temporary matter of party-over-branch, or has that strain of Republicanism basically died off? I guess we'll see.

dajafi
Moderator / BSG MVP
Moderator / BSG MVP
 
Posts: 24567
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 20:03:18
Location: Brooklyn

Postby FTN » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:17:50

Judd Gregg withdraws from consideration for Commerce

FTN
list sheriff
 
Posts: 47429
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 18:42:28
Location: BE PEACE

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:31:05

FTN wrote:Judd Gregg withdraws from consideration for Commerce


Did he not pay his taxes either? I can't keep track.
Be Bold!

TenuredVulture
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 53243
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 00:16:10
Location: Magnolia, AR

Postby FTN » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:33:13

Citing major differences in policy with Obama

FTN
list sheriff
 
Posts: 47429
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 18:42:28
Location: BE PEACE

Postby Werthless » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:43:55

FTN wrote:Citing major differences in policy with Obama

He doesn't want to hop aboard a sinking ship? Differences in opinion doesn't seem like that big of a deal, unless he thinks Obama is going to complete ignore him. Either way, I consider this news disappointing.

Werthless
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 12968
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 16:07:07

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:45:57

Werthless wrote:
FTN wrote:Citing major differences in policy with Obama

He doesn't want to hop aboard a sinking ship? Differences in opinion doesn't seem like that big of a deal, unless he thinks Obama is going to complete ignore him. Either way, I consider this news disappointing.


While its certainly reasonable to disagree with Obama on the stimulus package, it isn't like the overall package is coming as a surprise to anyone. When did he realize he disagreed so profoundly he couldn't serve in the cabinet?
Be Bold!

TenuredVulture
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 53243
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 00:16:10
Location: Magnolia, AR

Postby Werthless » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:49:17

He probably realized a combination of things:
1) The differences in policy would result in him being ignored.
2) Accepting the position wouldn't help him with his constituents, if he was planning on doing something post Obama.
3) He likes being a Senator.

Werthless
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 12968
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 16:07:07

Postby FTN » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:49:23

lol sinking ship. good one.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Sen. Judd Gregg withdrew as President Barack Obama's nominee to lead the Commerce Department, citing "irresolvable conflicts" over the stimulus package and the Census. "We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy," Gregg said in a statement. "Obviously the president requires a team that is fully supportive of all his initiatives," said Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican


Link

FTN
list sheriff
 
Posts: 47429
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 18:42:28
Location: BE PEACE

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:51:56

Werthless wrote:He probably realized a combination of things:
1) The differences in policy would result in him being ignored.
2) Accepting the position wouldn't help him with his constituents, if he was planning on doing something post Obama.
3) He likes being a Senator.


Well, fine. But then this makes me think of a line from the wedding singer.

Gee, you know that information... really would've been more useful to me *yesterday.*
Be Bold!

TenuredVulture
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 53243
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 00:16:10
Location: Magnolia, AR

Postby Werthless » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:54:27

TenuredVulture wrote:
Werthless wrote:He probably realized a combination of things:
1) The differences in policy would result in him being ignored.
2) Accepting the position wouldn't help him with his constituents, if he was planning on doing something post Obama.
3) He likes being a Senator.


Well, fine. But then this makes me think of a line from the wedding singer.

Gee, you know that information... really would've been more useful to me *yesterday.*

My guess is that 1) snuck up on him. He probably thought he would do a lot of good working for Obama, and probably fell for a pretty good sales pitch. Once he started interacting with the administration, reality probably hit him.

That's speculation, of course.

Werthless
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 12968
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 16:07:07

Postby Macho Row » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:55:22

It's not like Obama's ideas regarding the stimulus were unknown until this past week. Gregg knew what Obama would be pushing for from Congress when he accepted the position.

And as for the census, don't you think Gregg should have asked if the control of it would stay under the Commerce Secretary's jurisdiction before accepting the position? IMO, Gregg comes off as wishy washy here. These "irresolvable conflicts" were known when he accepted the position.
Macho Row
There's Our Old Friend
There's Our Old Friend
 
Posts: 383
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 17:34:09

Postby FTN » Thu Feb 12, 2009 17:56:55

My guess is, he realized that right now the need is for decisive action, and he wasn't ready to jump 100% behind everything Obama wanted to do. So instead of setting up a potential problem publicly, he just decided to pass.

FTN
list sheriff
 
Posts: 47429
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 18:42:28
Location: BE PEACE

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 12, 2009 18:05:12

Fantastic news.

jerseyhoya
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 97408
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 21:56:17

Postby Werthless » Thu Feb 12, 2009 18:06:36

jerseyhoya wrote:Fantastic news.

You mean from a Senate numbers perspective, right? Why do you think he declined?

Werthless
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 12968
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 16:07:07

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 12, 2009 18:09:03

I don't know yet. When I get home I check BSG first. Haven't read any articles about it.

So long as the reason he declined isn't that he's dying of cancer, it's great news. More than sheer numbers, he's actually a really good senator. There wasn't really any upside to him going into the administration. It's not like they'd have let him write policy.

jerseyhoya
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 97408
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 21:56:17

Postby FTN » Thu Feb 12, 2009 18:18:21

Interesting point made by Ray LaHood just now.

Gregg approached Obama for a position, not the other way around. Now he's changed his mind. Seems kind of strange.

FTN
list sheriff
 
Posts: 47429
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 18:42:28
Location: BE PEACE

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 12, 2009 18:23:19

FTN wrote:Interesting point made by Ray LaHood just now.

Gregg approached Obama for a position, not the other way around. Now he's changed his mind. Seems kind of strange.


Not how it was reported a week ago

jerseyhoya
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 97408
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 21:56:17

Postby FTN » Thu Feb 12, 2009 18:24:08

Who knows. It really doesn't even matter.

FTN
list sheriff
 
Posts: 47429
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 18:42:28
Location: BE PEACE

PreviousNext