Obama Happyworld Politics Thread!

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue Nov 25, 2008 20:29:57


In the pic, was that sign actually on the podium, or was it Photoshopped on?

Hmm. Could probably have some Photoshop fun with that sign...
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Nov 26, 2008 02:53:00

Ann Coulter's Jaw is Wired Shut

Broke her jaw in a fall.

Probably won't be a hinder since she typically talks out of her butt anyway.
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Nov 26, 2008 03:23:50

Haven't seen this mentioned here. Kinda surprised since this news is about a week old...

VP Dick Cheney and former AG Alberto Gonzales indicted

The grand jury traced a sketchy line between Cheney's influence over the U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency, which oversees the county's federal immigrant detention center, and his substantial holdings in the Vanguard Group, which invests in private prison companies.

Combining those interests, the grand jury accused Cheney of a conflict of interest because the more the prison companies were paid to hold inmates, the better he did financially.

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The indictment accuses Gonzales of stopping an investigation into abuses at the federal detention center.


Likely much ado about nothing, and I doubt anything comes of it (and if something does, Dubya will whip out his pardon pen), but still, they wuz indicted by a grand jury :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Werthless » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:30:27

Vanguard Group... aren't they pretty diversified? Like, don't they have a lot of different holdings?

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Postby Grotewold » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:37:58

Werthless wrote:Vanguard Group... aren't they pretty diversified? Like, don't they have a lot of different holdings?


Low-cost mutual funds is their thing

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Postby Bucky » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:45:59

In this day and age, isn't state government pretty much useless overhead and arbitrary groupings of persons? I mean, I have a lot more commonality in governmental needs with someone from Cherry Hill than I do from, say, Erie. Wouldn't it be rad to consolidate federal and state governments? Think of all the overhead that could be eliminated....

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Postby pacino » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:57:05

Bucky wrote:In this day and age, isn't state government pretty much useless overhead and arbitrary groupings of persons? I mean, I have a lot more commonality in governmental needs with someone from Cherry Hill than I do from, say, Erie. Wouldn't it be rad to consolidate federal and state governments? Think of all the overhead that could be eliminated....

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Postby Grotewold » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:08:31

Bucky wrote:Wouldn't it be rad to consolidate federal and state governments?


Talk about a Republican dilemma...

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Postby Werthless » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:57:28

Bucky wrote:In this day and age, isn't state government pretty much useless overhead and arbitrary groupings of persons? I mean, I have a lot more commonality in governmental needs with someone from Cherry Hill than I do from, say, Erie. Wouldn't it be rad to consolidate federal and state governments? Think of all the overhead that could be eliminated....

As someone sympathetic to states rights and anti-federalists, I don't think it would be rad. At least now, if I strongly dislike something my state is doing, I can move to a different state without too much hassle. I have little interest in leaving the US, which would be my only alternative if the states' govts merged with the federal govt.

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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Nov 26, 2008 13:30:03

LA TIMES:
NBC executives are closing in on a decision about who will take over "Meet the Press," its venerable Sunday morning political talk show, with the announcement coming possibly on Dec. 7.


Barring a last-minute surprise, network insiders and television news observers expect the new moderator -- or moderators -- will be drawn from a short list of candidates that include NBC chief White House correspondent David Gregory, PBS anchor Gwen Ifill, NBC chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell and NBC political director Chuck Todd. Dark horses include CBS anchor Katie Couric, whose name was floated in internal discussions, according to two sources, but is apparently not interested.


These options don't excite me too much. I like Todd the most and Gregory the least (well actually Couric the least, but as the story mentioned she is not interested)
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Postby gr » Wed Nov 26, 2008 13:50:33

replacing russert with couric would be like replacing cole hamels with adam eaton.
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Postby steagles » Wed Nov 26, 2008 14:03:18

gr wrote:replacing russert with couric would be like replacing cole hamels with adam eaton.
in that case, or with gwen ifill, i think it would be more like adding jamie moyer for a pair of minor leaguers. you'd be adding outside talent without really giving up anything or losing anything.

i do agree that couric = eaton, though.
if you don't know what the wrestlers are trying to do--how certain moves and holds are supposed to work and so forth, then it might just look like too sweaty guys rolling around on a mat.

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Postby dajafi » Wed Nov 26, 2008 14:36:42

steagles wrote:
gr wrote:replacing russert with couric would be like replacing cole hamels with adam eaton.
in that case, or with gwen ifill, i think it would be more like adding jamie moyer for a pair of minor leaguers. you'd be adding outside talent without really giving up anything or losing anything.

i do agree that couric = eaton, though.


I approve both these messages. Ifill would be my choice, easy. Todd is a very smart guy, but I'm not sure he has enough personality to carry that gig. Ifill is subtle, but really sharp.

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Postby Wizlah » Wed Nov 26, 2008 16:43:38

Kicking off like crazy in Mumbai this tonight. Word of coordinated attacks all over the city involving roving gunmen. Body count at 60 and rising. fuck only knows whos going to end up being responsible. Whatever, it does not bode well for the ol' pakistani/india nexus. Good chance that it will be a further headache for the incoming prez.

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Postby BuddyGroom » Wed Nov 26, 2008 18:44:29

I could see Rachel Maddow of MSNBC and Air America as a darkhorse for Meet the Press (although I suspect that would be conditioned on her severing all ties with Air America). She seems to be a rising star at MSNBC and seems more broadly likeable, despite her liberal leanings, than Olbermann.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 26, 2008 18:52:50

No.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 26, 2008 19:12:55

Bucky wrote:In this day and age, isn't state government pretty much useless overhead and arbitrary groupings of persons? I mean, I have a lot more commonality in governmental needs with someone from Cherry Hill than I do from, say, Erie. Wouldn't it be rad to consolidate federal and state governments? Think of all the overhead that could be eliminated....


Actually, for two decades or so, states have really been responsible for most domestic policy innovations--welfare reform, for instance, was largely a product of state government. 40 years ago, it was possible to states were real backwaters but these days, with the federal government more or less either paralyzed or in thrall to special interests, state government is where the action is. The best thing would be for the federal government to stop interfering with states. The problem of course is that states cannot print money or borrow to pay ongoing expenses, so they do need federal largesse to run key programs like medicare, medicaid, and transportation needs.

You do identify a real problem with regional governing, and things like Patco and so forth aren't as effective as they might be.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Nov 27, 2008 02:26:03

You know what I can't wait for?

The Ethics Committee in Congress to come out and tear Rangel a new one, and for the CBC to flip out when Pelosi takes the Ways and Means gavel from him.

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Postby Wizlah » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:55:35

Fairly balanced and detailed coverage of the attacks in Mumbai from the Guardian.

Good breakdown of the significance of the tactics used here:

Using boats to attack is certainly original and rare – though al-Qaida used boat bombs against the USS Cole in 2000. Hostage taking is also not a usual feature of core al-Qaida attacks. There was the instance of the Chechen group holding a cinema and audience captive in Moscow of course but they were not an "al-Qaida" group whatever the Kremlin may have said at the time. The mass irregular infantry assault has been seen before – in Saudi Arabia in Khobar in 2004 but again by a group acting semi-autonomously from the al-Qaida hardcore. Indeed, the guns and grenade style is more reminiscent of the operations of militant groups in Kashmir (and elsewhere in India), Afghanistan or even in the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. Tourist industry has also been targeted elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and in Egypt during the late 80s.
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Postby VoxOrion » Thu Nov 27, 2008 13:14:07

Yikes. The Tigers are the last group people need to be getting inspiration from. They already invented the bomb jacket, and I know they are the first (and only so far) terrorists to perform bombing air raids.
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