The Prospect Ranking Thread

The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby smitty » Sun Oct 30, 2011 18:11:25

Ranking prospects is guesswork at best although it is often pretty educated guesswork. There's nothing very sure about how any of the Phils' prospects will turn out -- now more than in recent times it looks like. Our side has a lot of interesting prospects who can rank nearly anywhere from around 5 through 20 or even not in the rankings depending on what criteria you like to use.

Just read the article below via TGP and thought it was good.

John Sickels is a pretty good minor league evaluator. He has an early top 20 list that's pretty interesting. The Phils' prospects are really impossible to rank with any certainty after the top few guys. The have a bunch of guys with all sorts of potential but who are far away from the big leagues. And they have several relievers who are ready or near ready now. But where you rank relievers on a top prospect list is a matter of personal taste.

Anyways here's the full article:

http://www.minorleaguebal...pects-for-2012#storyjump

Here's his top ten with comments:

1) Trevor May, RHP, Grade B+: I almost went with an A- here and may revise this. Command remains erratic, but huge strikeout rate is a big positive and he's made progress with his secondary pitches. Looks like a workhorse.

2) Jesse Biddle, LHP, Grade B+: Not as overpowering as May currently, but has a high ceiling of his own and can develop into a number two starter in my view. I'd like to see him lower the walk rate, but overall he's doing just fine. Reports of improved curveball are promising.

3) Sebastian Valle, C, Grade B-: Scouting reports remain more impressive than the numbers and his plate discipline needs work, but he's got good potential on both sides of the ball and is just 21.

4) Brody Colvin, RHP, Grade B-: Went backwards in 2011, dogged by mechanical problems and a back injury, but upside remains quite high and I will cut him some slack for now.

5) Larry Greene, OF, Grade B-: Huge power, although reports differ about how polished the rest of his bat is and we have no pro data yet. Wanna dream? Think Ryan Howard with enough mobility to play the outfield. Stock will shoot higher next year if that is remotely accurate.

6) Justin De Fratus, RHP, Grade B-: Grading relievers is always problematic, but he's overpowering and ready to help now.

7) Phillippe Aumont, RHP, Grade B-: Command still needs some work, but between Aumont and De Fratus there are two potential closers here.

8) Julio Rodriguez, RHP, Grade B-: Scouting reports remain mixed and he doesn't have the physical upside of the pitchers ahead of him, but his statistics are outstanding. This is not some college guy tricking younger hitters: he didn't turn 21 until late August. I'm a believer.

9) Michael Schwimer, RHP, Grade C+: Between Schwimer, De Fratus, and Aumont, the Phillies have plenty of right-handed relief options. The others guys are younger so they rank a tad ahead grade-wise.

10) Maikel Franco, 3B, Grade C+: His .287/.367/.411 line at Williamsport may not look that great, but his OPS was 14 percent better than league average, he was just 18 years old, scouts give him good reviews, and he has a sound glove. He could break through in a big way in '12.
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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Sun Oct 30, 2011 18:14:09

sickels is a tough grader. so the fact that we didn't have a guy till 9 with a C is pretty positive.

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby The Savior » Sun Oct 30, 2011 18:16:08

why isn't adrian cardenas rated higher?
On a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how pissed is he?

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby smitty » Sun Oct 30, 2011 18:18:39

Thick lower body; can't stay in the infield. Lacks a hit tool.

BTW, I don't see Outman or Carrasco on the list. Sickles is bogus.
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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby FTN » Mon Oct 31, 2011 01:08:45

sickels hasn't produced meaningful rankings in ever.

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Barry Jive » Mon Oct 31, 2011 05:04:03

yeah what do you know anyway, huh
no offense but you are everything that's wrong with America

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:18:08

A good site with some Phillies prospect discussion is PhuturePhillies.com

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Soren » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:33:01

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby phatj » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:51:00

FTN wrote:sickels hasn't produced meaningful rankings in ever.

What is "meaningful"?

That's supposed to be a question mark.
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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby thephan » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:25:20

assuming the plate is real, it will not last long. The VA DMV gets wind of these thing, mostly when they become glaringly public, and rescinds them. Funny however. I hope to see it live before it gets jammed.
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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Soren » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:27:03

obviously photo shopped
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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby phatj » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:53:22

thephan wrote:assuming the plate is real, it will not last long. The VA DMV gets wind of these thing, mostly when they become glaringly public, and rescinds them. Funny however. I hope to see it live before it gets jammed.

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Grotewold » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:02:21

Baseball America

1. Trevor May, RHP
2. Jesse Biddle, LHP
3. Sebastian Valle, C
4. Jonathan Pettibone, RHP
5. Phillippe Aumont, RHP
6. Freddy Galvis, SS
7. Justin De Fratus, RHP
8. Brody Colvin, RHP
9. Jiwan James, OF
10. Maikel Franco, 3B

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:29:37

never heard of this franco kid.

what i like about that list is that none of the guys we just drafter are on it. we know some of them are talented. just goes to show that this team still has solid depth in the minors.

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Werthless » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:32:56

CalvinBall wrote:never heard of this franco kid.

He'll be the Phils 3B in 2017. Get excited.

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby joe table » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:47:02

I could see Larry Greene being really good or gaining like 100 pounds, either way I got my popcorn ready

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Soren » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:49:04

joe table wrote:I could see Larry Greene being really good or gaining like 100 pounds, either way I got my popcorn ready


Possibly both?
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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:49:27

better extend him

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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Soren » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:50:45

Houshphandzadeh wrote:better extend him


extend his pants size LOL FAT JOKE
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Re: The Prospect Ranking Thread

Postby Soren » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:57:30

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