Mets owners tied to Madoff scandal

Mets owners tied to Madoff scandal

Postby FTN » Fri Dec 12, 2008 21:07:03

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The real estate investment firm Sterling Equities, co-founded by New York Mets owners Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz, had money invested with Bernard Madoff’s firm, CNBC has confirmed.

“Among our various investments, we have accounts managed by Madoff Securities,” the company said, in a statement. “We are shocked by recent events and, like all investors, will continue to monitor the situation.”

Madoff had $17 billion in his investment advisory firm last month, but the 70-year-old former NASDAQ chairman told his employees earlier this week that he had actually lost $50 billion in what he said was a ponzi scheme. Madoff told authorities that he “paid investors with money that wasn’t there.”

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The question now is how much money was invested? If we’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars, which is not out of the question, you’d have to think it could affect the Mets ability to further itself this off-season beyond the pitching moves they’ve already made.

Update: CNBC's David Faber is now reporting that Wilpon and Katz, though their investment entity Sterling Equities, could have lost as much as $300 million with Madoff.


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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Dec 12, 2008 21:10:44

Does this revise your prediction of them signing Lowe?

Also, fuck the Mets.

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Postby JFLNYC » Fri Dec 12, 2008 21:20:22

I'm just so upset by this news.
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Postby Werthless » Fri Dec 12, 2008 21:34:20

This is amusing if it affects their offseason.

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Postby drsmooth » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:37:48

werthless, where does madoff figure in to any conventional model of efficient markets? B/c his business model, or variations of it, are used by lots of people/organizations who do not decide to just throw up their hands as he did
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Postby momadance » Sun Dec 14, 2008 20:25:13

BA HA HA! roffles!

Norman Braman!

New York Mets owner Fred Wilpon, GMAC LLC Chairman J. Ezra Merkin and former Philadelphia Eagles owner Norman Braman were among the dozens of seemingly sophisticated investors who placed money on what could prove to be history's largest financial scam.


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Postby FTN » Thu Dec 18, 2008 03:21:04

Bernard Madoff may have stolen $50 billion from clients, a group that included Sterling Equities, the real estate company of Mets owner Fred Wilpon.

Still, Jeff Wilpon said the family's holdings are diversified and that the loss will not affect operations of the high-spending team, whose $138 million Opening-Day payroll was third in Major League Baseball.

"The individual partners lost some money at Madoff. It doesn't affect the Mets. It doesn't affect the Citi Field project. It doesn't affect SNY or any of our other operating businesses," Jeff Wilpon said.

He vehemently stated the team was "uncategorically, totally, completely not for sale."

"Not a piece of it, not a part of it, none of it," he said.

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Thu Dec 18, 2008 03:28:18

FTN wrote:
Bernard Madoff may have stolen $50 billion from clients, a group that included Sterling Equities, the real estate company of Mets owner Fred Wilpon.

Still, Jeff Wilpon said the family's holdings are diversified and that the loss will not affect operations of the high-spending team, whose $138 million Opening-Day payroll was third in Major League Baseball.

"The individual partners lost some money at Madoff. It doesn't affect the Mets. It doesn't affect the Citi Field project. It doesn't affect SNY or any of our other operating businesses," Jeff Wilpon said.

He vehemently stated the team was "uncategorically, totally, completely not for sale."

"Not a piece of it, not a part of it, none of it," he said.

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Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:53:56

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
FTN wrote:
Bernard Madoff may have stolen $50 billion from clients, a group that included Sterling Equities, the real estate company of Mets owner Fred Wilpon.

Still, Jeff Wilpon said the family's holdings are diversified and that the loss will not affect operations of the high-spending team, whose $138 million Opening-Day payroll was third in Major League Baseball.

"The individual partners lost some money at Madoff. It doesn't affect the Mets. It doesn't affect the Citi Field project. It doesn't affect SNY or any of our other operating businesses," Jeff Wilpon said.

He vehemently stated the team was "uncategorically, totally, completely not for sale."

"Not a piece of it, not a part of it, none of it," he said.

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Postby FTN » Wed Dec 24, 2008 18:16:14

We have months to see how the Yankees mesh, what scabs they develop, what injuries they must overcome, whether the expectations make the game joyless despite the joy that Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera and Sabathia bring to the ballpark every day. We do know that the Red Sox and Mets are back in the Yankees' shadow; Boston still has close to $40 million to work with, and the Mets claim their baseball operations will not be harmed by the Bernie Madoff scandal, even though Madoff handled some of the revenues the Mets put aside to fund deferred contracts and some other payments.


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Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Dec 24, 2008 21:43:59

one of these guys offed himself already (not the mets guy, but the guilty guy)

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Postby FTN » Wed Dec 24, 2008 21:55:51

ReadingPhilly wrote:one of these guys offed himself already (not the mets guy, but the guilty guy)


It was a guy who had a fund with a 1.4 billion invested with Madoff.

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Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Dec 24, 2008 21:59:00

FTN wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:one of these guys offed himself already (not the mets guy, but the guilty guy)


It was a guy who had a fund with a 1.4 billion invested with Madoff.


ah, ok. i thought he was involved with them.

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Postby FTN » Wed Dec 24, 2008 22:09:15

Nah. Madoff was given billions by other funds and groups to "invest", and this guy was the head of a fund that had given him over 1.4B to invest.

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Postby philliesr98 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:57:33

Ok, dumb question here.... where did this 50 billion dollars go?

How do you make 50 Billion dollars dissapear?

Granted he might have paid out to some investors, but was this guy the baller of all ballers?

At 70 years old and no conscious, I can only imagine what I'd spend that much money on...
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Postby lethal » Fri Dec 26, 2008 15:52:25

philliesr98 wrote:Ok, dumb question here.... where did this 50 billion dollars go?

How do you make 50 Billion dollars dissapear?

Granted he might have paid out to some investors, but was this guy the baller of all ballers?

At 70 years old and no conscious, I can only imagine what I'd spend that much money on...


There was never any $50 billion dollars. It was all on paper, mostly fake investment gains.

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Postby philliesr98 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 16:50:32

lethal wrote:
philliesr98 wrote:Ok, dumb question here.... where did this 50 billion dollars go?

How do you make 50 Billion dollars dissapear?

Granted he might have paid out to some investors, but was this guy the baller of all ballers?

At 70 years old and no conscious, I can only imagine what I'd spend that much money on...


There was never any $50 billion dollars. It was all on paper, mostly fake investment gains.



wait what? People gave this guy real money to invest i assume, not fake money...

The gains is what was fake not the money given to invest...
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Postby allentown » Fri Dec 26, 2008 17:31:08

I guess a lot of it was paid out as income to earlier investors and also as redemptions by earlier investors. This was a multi-decade scheme. Let's say you claim 12% a year profits and only earn 2%. Then 10% of the pile vanishes each year to the paid out phantom profits. Then a lot of the money was invested through advisors who took 1 - 2% per year. Then Madoff took money for his salary and his staff. Then, in the end crash, he was likely losing $ over the last couple years while claiming to make $. Possibly also during the 1987 and 2001 crashes. Then, he was left with $300 mill in assets.
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Postby lethal » Fri Dec 26, 2008 17:33:55

philliesr98 wrote:
lethal wrote:
philliesr98 wrote:Ok, dumb question here.... where did this 50 billion dollars go?

How do you make 50 Billion dollars dissapear?

Granted he might have paid out to some investors, but was this guy the baller of all ballers?

At 70 years old and no conscious, I can only imagine what I'd spend that much money on...


There was never any $50 billion dollars. It was all on paper, mostly fake investment gains.



wait what? People gave this guy real money to invest i assume, not fake money...

The gains is what was fake not the money given to invest...


Right. I haven't seen any reports on what part of the $50B was real money actually invested and what part was fake investment gains. The $50B was the supposed end value of the portfolio when he was caught.

You're familiar with how a Ponzi scheme works, right? Some of the early investors withdrew their money and they were paid using the money from the latter investors. Some of the money went to paying off day to day operations of the outfit and the recruiting budget, some went to lining the pockets of Madorf and his family/employees. Nevertheless, that $50B figure is not a real total of what was lost.

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Postby philliesr98 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 17:40:19

lethal wrote:
philliesr98 wrote:
lethal wrote:
philliesr98 wrote:Ok, dumb question here.... where did this 50 billion dollars go?

How do you make 50 Billion dollars dissapear?

Granted he might have paid out to some investors, but was this guy the baller of all ballers?

At 70 years old and no conscious, I can only imagine what I'd spend that much money on...


There was never any $50 billion dollars. It was all on paper, mostly fake investment gains.



wait what? People gave this guy real money to invest i assume, not fake money...

The gains is what was fake not the money given to invest...


Right. I haven't seen any reports on what part of the $50B was real money actually invested and what part was fake investment gains. The $50B was the supposed end value of the portfolio when he was caught.

You're familiar with how a Ponzi scheme works, right? Some of the early investors withdrew their money and they were paid using the money from the latter investors. Some of the money went to paying off day to day operations of the outfit and the recruiting budget, some went to lining the pockets of Madorf and his family/employees. Nevertheless, that $50B figure is not a real total of what was lost.


yes I'm familiar with how a ponzi scheme works...

Thing I'm not getting is this, you keep saying how you don't know how much of this 50 billion dollars was real....

I thought the 50 billion number was what was given to him by investors, not the end amount of his portfolio....

Unless what I'm reading is wrong.
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