The Phillies GM in 2009 will be....

by **FTN** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 13:40:01

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Brian Cashman (New York): : What should I spend my 80 million dollars on in the not so distant off-season?

SportsNation Buster Olney: (1:16 PM ET ) Brian: Is that how much the Phillies have to spend this off-season/

by **FTN** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 13:47:49

that warms my loins

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 13:48:04

I hope Buster's predictions are better here.

by **Woody** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 13:56:01

I've been cynical about Amaro being the next GM for so long that that's what I voted for, but I also think that management is more inclined to go the "experienced" route now that we're a perennial playoff <strike>team</strike> contender. Cashman would be an interesting choice, and I certainly wouldn't have any problems with the move, if it came to fruition. But just think of the BSG comedy gold if Amaro were GM...

by **FTN** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 13:59:35

Woody wrote:I've been cynical about Amaro being the next GM for so long that that's what I voted for, but I also think that management is more inclined to go the "experienced" route now that we're a perennial playoff <strike>team</strike> contender. Cashman would be an interesting choice, and I certainly wouldn't have any problems with the move, if it came to fruition. But just think of the BSG comedy gold if Amaro were GM...

So this year.

We can do better, both for the GM and the BSG comedy gold.

by **steagles** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 14:16:22

i'm hoping the next GM is someone from the scouting side, with a solid background in actual baseball things.

i'm holding out hope that it's an outsider, but i also think arbuckle, wolever, lamar could hold down the fort for a few years.

again i hope, just hope, that chuck lamar gets a fair shot at the position. i think he would no doubt get the best package in return for howard, and i think he would no doubt sign hamels to a massive long term deal.

just say no to amaro.

by **CFP** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 14:17:39

LaMar's resume is impressive enough because he found some real talent with Tampa. I'd pray for Cashman at this point because I think he is just a slight better option than anyone that would be available, AKA Amaro. Antonetti and Forst would continue to top my board, but they are too busy sucking off Shapiro and Beane to leave their assistant perches.

by **jp_chips** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 14:20:31

CFP wrote:LaMar's resume is impressive enough because he found some real talent with Tampa. I'd pray for Cashman at this point because I think he is just a slight better option than anyone that would be available, AKA Amaro. Antonetti and Forst would continue to top my board, but they are too busy sucking off Shapiro and Beane to leave their assistant perches.

Why do you think Cashman would be any good with a budget :?: looking at the Yanks roster i would say he has more bad contracts then good one's.

by **lethal** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 14:21:19

I've only read about Cashman to Seattle, not to Philly.

by **CFP** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 14:25:56

I just took a few minutes to look at Cashman's drafts between 1999 and 2005. Honestly, not impressed at all. I know in recent years he's gotten Hughes, Kennedy, and Chamberlain. But there isn't much to speak of in those other years. And they failed to sign Cole this year, which kinda sucks, but I didn't think anyone was going to be able to sign him.

by **FTN** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 14:31:23

jp_chips wrote:
CFP wrote:LaMar's resume is impressive enough because he found some real talent with Tampa. I'd pray for Cashman at this point because I think he is just a slight better option than anyone that would be available, AKA Amaro. Antonetti and Forst would continue to top my board, but they are too busy sucking off Shapiro and Beane to leave their assistant perches.

Why do you think Cashman would be any good with a budget :?: looking at the Yanks roster i would say he has more bad contracts then good one's.

Thats a common myth. Cashman wasn't fully in charge, and lots of the bad contracts they gave out over the last 10 years were influenced by the Tampa contingent in the front office. Cashman is bigger into player development from within. He was the one who didn't want to empty the farm for Santana.

by **bleh** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 16:21:02

I won't judge Amaro based on the moves from the last year since I don't know if he's responsible or not. But I hate him anyway because he's such a phony whenever he talks to the press or does an interview. It's like listening to a (bad) PR person, I really can't stand him. At least Arbuckle can sound like a regular person.

by **dajafi** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 16:26:28

bleh wrote:I won't judge Amaro based on the moves from the last year since I don't know if he's responsible or not. But I hate him anyway because he's such a phony whenever he talks to the press or does an interview. It's like listening to a (bad) PR person, I really can't stand him. At least Arbuckle can sound like a regular person.

I hate him for the same reason--he seems like the world's worst press flack, combining Ari Fleischer's arrogance with Scott McClellan's cluelessness--but because I hate him anyway is exactly why I've been quick to judge him on the bad moves.

(Admittedly, this might not actually be a great way to evaluate potential executives.)

At this point I think I'd like to see Hunsicker. But I could live with Arbuckle or, certainly, Cashman... even though I'm not 100 percent sure that Cashman isn't the Yankees' Amaro, in terms of first getting the job by virtue of excellence in the field of ass-kissing.

by **FTN** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 22:17:07

Do we trust Amaro to find a new manager to replace Charlie after the collapse? Who will Cashman line up?

by **FTN** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 22:00:37

Found this random nugget

Other assistant GMs considered among the best young talent in baseball are Tony LaCava of the Toronto Blue Jays, David Forst of the Oakland A's and Jerry DiPoto of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

There's also been speculation that Doug Melvin of the Milwaukee Brewers and Kevin Towers of the San Diego Padres would be a good fit.

Pat Gillick, the former Mariners GM who has led the Philadelphia Phillies back into the playoffs, is not considered a candidate although Armstrong said his old-school approach to building a team has been effective in an age of heavy reliance on statistical analysis. The Mariners teams built by Gillick in 2000 and 2001 were their last to reach the postseason.

"He would get a fistful of plane tickets and he would go around and look each potential player in the face," Armstrong said. "He would talk about what he expected if they were to become a Mariner and if they were willing to do that, whether it was Arthur Rhodes or Mark McLemore or Aaron Sele or whoever. He hit on every one.

"He used statistical analysis probably less than any general manager you'd talk to."

sigh

by **FTN** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 23:59:07

• Brian Cashman will soon make up his mind whether to stay as GM of the Yankees, writes Ed Price. The guess here is that he will leave.

Olney

by **kruker** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 00:09:36

FTN wrote:
• Brian Cashman will soon make up his mind whether to stay as GM of the Yankees, writes Ed Price. The guess here is that he will leave.

Olney

I don't want to get my hopes up too high, but I think the Phillies brass will actually make a run at Cashman if he's available.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 00:13:58

I don't know... I just feel the Phillies have painted themselves into a corner where they have to promote either Ruben or Arbuckle. Can you continually tell loyal employees that they will get their shot, etc., and never deliver? Doesn't that hurt organizational morale and damage the Phillies reputation as an employer? I get the sense that they've all but promised the job to either Amaro or Arbuckle once Gillick finally retires.

Personally, I could live with Arbuckle anyway. I feel like, given the high percentage of homegrown talent on this team, he's earned a shot at the top job. Perhaps it's a case of that old line about everyone being promoted to the level of their own incompetence, but it seems eminently fair to me without being Amaro.

by **FTN** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 00:19:27

If they hire Cashman, I think Cashman will have free reign to bring in his own people. If Amaro and Arbuckle aren't happy in their roles, then he'll replace them.

by gr » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:16:15

just please don't do something so completely lame like make amaro and arbuckle co-GMs. i could see it happening, but that's because i hate my favorite team sometimes.

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